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Re: [Utah-astronomy] More on Upheaval Dome
by zaurak＠digis.net 27 Jan '09

27 Jan '09

Lets hope it is global crisis that we recognize and that we can do something about it! I suspect the challenge will be getting the world to recognize a looming crisis. --- ilove2getspam(a)gmail.com wrote: From: "Ilove2getSpam(a)gmail.com" <ilove2getspam(a)gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] More on Upheaval Dome Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:11:12 -0500 I believe a global crisis of a certain immediacy would better unite the world. I can only hope anyway! I'm still waiting for the aliens to arrive so that we can better understand our place in the universe and, hence, forget about the silly problems that result in things like war and genocide. Instead, we will learn to focus on problems that would not and should not exist in our day and age, like world hunger, if it weren't for politics and greed. -Rich On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:48 PM, <zaurak(a)digis.net> wrote: > No, todays monitoring is not enough, although Patrick tries to help. The > question is would advanced warning help us or create world wide panic? > Perhaps it is something best left to fate. Much like all of mankinds > individual mortality. > > --- ilove2getspam(a)gmail.com wrote: > > From: "Ilove2getSpam(a)gmail.com" <ilove2getspam(a)gmail.com> > To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] More on Upheaval Dome > Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:28:00 -0500 > > It's nothing that those on this board haven't thought about but, the > chances > of a cataclysmic collision occurring in our lifetime is a reality. It is a > scary reality! I wonder, is the monitoring of near earth objects as > comprehensive as it needs to be? Do we have automated monitors or are we > depending on human observation? > > Just think, this picture was most likely the result of a deflection not an > impact... > > [image: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Tunguska.png] > *Tunguska Event - June 30, 1908* > > *June 30, 2008:* The year is 1908, and it's just after seven in the > morning. > A man is sitting on the front porch of a trading post at Vanavara in > Siberia. Little does he know, in a few moments, he will be hurled from his > chair and the heat will be so intense he will feel as though his shirt is > on > fire. > > That's how the Tunguska event felt *40 miles* from ground zero. > > Today, June 30, 2008, is the 100th anniversary of that ferocious impact > near > the Podkamennaya Tunguska River in remote Siberia--and after 100 years, > scientists are still talking about it. > -Rich > > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:13 PM, <zaurak(a)digis.net> wrote: > > > Has the park service accepted the impact crater explanation? Do they > still > > talk about the "salt" theory? Anyway lets hope future impact craters > happen > > far from where we live. > > > > --- ilove2getspam(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > From: "Ilove2getSpam(a)gmail.com" <ilove2getspam(a)gmail.com> > > To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] More on Upheaval Dome > > Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:30:01 -0500 > > > > Even still, the hypothesis was controversial. I'm still not sure if the > > controversy has been truly eliminated. I'll leave that to the educated > > folks > > on this list to determine! > > > > -Rich > > > > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Not to take away anything from Kurt's work, but the Observer's Handbook > > has > > > for years listed the most significant impact craters in North America > and > > > Upheaval Dome has been on there for a while. A table lists latitude, > > > longitude, approximate age, surface expression, and visible geologic > > > features. A simplified map shows approximate location. The governor > and > > > general public can be excused, but I'm surprised that it doesn't seem > to > > be > > > more common knowledge among those in the hobby. > > > > > > >From comments I've read on the list lately, I get the impression that > > few > > > amateurs take advantage of the Observer's Handbook every year. > > > > > > Patrick, how many orders did you take for the 2009 edition? Have you > > > noticed a downward trend over the years? > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > > > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > > > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com > > > Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com > > Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com > > Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com > Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com > Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com > _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] More on Upheaval Dome
by zaurak＠digis.net 27 Jan '09

27 Jan '09

No, todays monitoring is not enough, although Patrick tries to help. The question is would advanced warning help us or create world wide panic? Perhaps it is something best left to fate. Much like all of mankinds individual mortality. --- ilove2getspam(a)gmail.com wrote: From: "Ilove2getSpam(a)gmail.com" <ilove2getspam(a)gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] More on Upheaval Dome Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:28:00 -0500 It's nothing that those on this board haven't thought about but, the chances of a cataclysmic collision occurring in our lifetime is a reality. It is a scary reality! I wonder, is the monitoring of near earth objects as comprehensive as it needs to be? Do we have automated monitors or are we depending on human observation? Just think, this picture was most likely the result of a deflection not an impact... [image: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Tunguska.png] *Tunguska Event - June 30, 1908* *June 30, 2008:* The year is 1908, and it's just after seven in the morning. A man is sitting on the front porch of a trading post at Vanavara in Siberia. Little does he know, in a few moments, he will be hurled from his chair and the heat will be so intense he will feel as though his shirt is on fire. That's how the Tunguska event felt *40 miles* from ground zero. Today, June 30, 2008, is the 100th anniversary of that ferocious impact near the Podkamennaya Tunguska River in remote Siberia--and after 100 years, scientists are still talking about it. -Rich On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:13 PM, <zaurak(a)digis.net> wrote: > Has the park service accepted the impact crater explanation? Do they still > talk about the "salt" theory? Anyway lets hope future impact craters happen > far from where we live. > > --- ilove2getspam(a)gmail.com wrote: > > From: "Ilove2getSpam(a)gmail.com" <ilove2getspam(a)gmail.com> > To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] More on Upheaval Dome > Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:30:01 -0500 > > Even still, the hypothesis was controversial. I'm still not sure if the > controversy has been truly eliminated. I'll leave that to the educated > folks > on this list to determine! > > -Rich > > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Not to take away anything from Kurt's work, but the Observer's Handbook > has > > for years listed the most significant impact craters in North America and > > Upheaval Dome has been on there for a while. A table lists latitude, > > longitude, approximate age, surface expression, and visible geologic > > features. A simplified map shows approximate location. The governor and > > general public can be excused, but I'm surprised that it doesn't seem to > be > > more common knowledge among those in the hobby. > > > > >From comments I've read on the list lately, I get the impression that > few > > amateurs take advantage of the Observer's Handbook every year. > > > > Patrick, how many orders did you take for the 2009 edition? Have you > > noticed a downward trend over the years? > > _______________________________________________ > > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com > > Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com > Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com > Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com > _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com

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Observing articles (from Erik)
by Richard Tenney 27 Jan '09

27 Jan '09

Another victim of the filter... =============================== Observing Articles Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:57 AM From: zaurak(a)digis.net To: Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com Hi All, If anyone is interested I have included a link to many years of articles written by Stephen O'meara for Astronomy Magazine http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=ss&id=160 Erik

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] More on Upheaval Dome
by Canopus56 27 Jan '09

27 Jan '09

Jay, I'm glad you had a good time with it. It is an engaging topic. In the West Conus, we are fortunate to be relatively close to two prime impact examples: Upheaval and Barringer. The Beavercreek impact is so large and so deteriorated that I drove through the pass and didn't even know it was there. Hopefully, because Upheaval reasonably be claimed to be impact caused, it might help out with the tourism in Moab. When I was there in the fall, it was all Russians, Austrians, French and Spainard tourists. I was the only North American guy there. - Kurt

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Threads that never had a chance on Utah-astronomy
by zaurak＠digis.net 27 Jan '09

27 Jan '09

I think there are a few people in SLAS that could contribute, although Brent's mishap should be in the SLAS History Books. --- chuck.hards(a)gmail.com wrote: From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards(a)gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Threads that never had a chance on Utah-astronomy Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:32:31 -0700 Brent will be writing this one... On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 3:25 PM, <zaurak(a)digis.net> wrote: > > Pointing Your Telescope at the Sun: Stories of Cataclysms. Not that Chuck > seems to need any encouragement. > > > _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] More on Upheaval Dome
by Jay Eads 26 Jan '09

26 Jan '09

Well Kurt, thanks for letting me spend an evening learning about impact craters in the US. Some I knew, some I didn't. Beavercreek must have been one massive impact up in Idaho, as was the Chesapeake but I was more impressed with the mid to smaller size impacts that still show in North America. On 2009-01-27 04:07, Jay Eads wrote: > Kurt, > > I found your information on this very interesting and sometime would > love to see some more on it. Nicely done. > > Jay > > On 2009-01-27 00:38, Canopus56 wrote: > > In November 2009, my Upheaval Dome image was picked up by the Lunar > Picture of the Day. > > > > http://lpod.wikispaces.com/November+29,+2008 > > > > As an afterthought, I sent a letter to the Governor's Office > requesting that he send a letter to the researcher, Dr. Thomas > Kenkmann, thanking him for his six years of effort in confirming the > meteor impact nature of the Dome. The Governor's Science Advisor, Dr. > Tamara Geotz, reviewed the literature search I put together and > indicated that she would be using the materials with Utah secondary > school educators to develop cirricula materials concerning how real > scientific investigations are done. > > > > Today, the Governor's Office sent a thank you letter out to Dr. > Kenkmann which is reproduced here: > > > > http://members.csolutions.net/fisherka/astronote/observed/Upheaval/20090126… > > > > Clear Skies - Kurt > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] More on Upheaval Dome
by Jay Eads 26 Jan '09

26 Jan '09

Kurt, I found your information on this very interesting and sometime would love to see some more on it. Nicely done. Jay On 2009-01-27 00:38, Canopus56 wrote: > In November 2009, my Upheaval Dome image was picked up by the Lunar Picture of the Day. > > http://lpod.wikispaces.com/November+29,+2008 > > As an afterthought, I sent a letter to the Governor's Office requesting that he send a letter to the researcher, Dr. Thomas Kenkmann, thanking him for his six years of effort in confirming the meteor impact nature of the Dome. The Governor's Science Advisor, Dr. Tamara Geotz, reviewed the literature search I put together and indicated that she would be using the materials with Utah secondary school educators to develop cirricula materials concerning how real scientific investigations are done. > > Today, the Governor's Office sent a thank you letter out to Dr. Kenkmann which is reproduced here: > > http://members.csolutions.net/fisherka/astronote/observed/Upheaval/20090126… > > Clear Skies - Kurt > > > > >

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Threads that never had a chance on Utah-astronomy
by zaurak＠digis.net 26 Jan '09

26 Jan '09

Any one see todays annular eclipse today? Happy New Year this begins the year of the Ox, and Apple Computers turned 25 yesterday. How bout, Pointing Your Telescope at the Sun: Stories of Cataclysms. Not that Chuck seems to need any encouragement. --- chuck.hards(a)gmail.com wrote: From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards(a)gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Threads that never had a chance on Utah-astronomy Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:02:03 -0700 More new astronomy book titles: Gastric Astronomy Solar Astronomy for Vampires A Study of Black Dwarfs by Gary Coleman (with a foreword by Emmanuel Lewis) Lunar Studies for Werewolves Another ATM title: Adding A Fireplace To Your Observatory _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com

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Fwd: Threads that never had a chance on Utah-astronomy
by Chuck Hards 26 Jan '09

26 Jan '09

On a recent visit to SPOC, noted right-wing author Ann Coulter was invited to look through a binocular viewer, but she declined, stating that it sounded immoral. She preferred a married monocular.

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Blogging away
by zaurak＠digis.net 26 Jan '09

26 Jan '09

Good article Joe. I wonder what dogmas of today will stand the test of time. I guess it also shows documentation is a good idea, if you want credit. Erik --- josephmbauman(a)yahoo.com wrote: From: Joe Bauman <josephmbauman(a)yahoo.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Blogging away Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:45:51 -0800 (PST) Essay on the International Year of Astronomy and Galileo: http://deseretnews.com/blogs/1,5322,10000034,00.html?bD=20090125 Please comment if you do or don't like it. Thanks, Joe _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com

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