August 2005 - Utah-Astronomy - mailman.xmission.com

Egads, there are _two_ of us!
by Patrick Wiggins 25 Aug '05

25 Aug '05

I'm guessing I'm his evil twin... http://www2.standard.net/standard/59969/ Patrick :-)

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Aurora CME's last night; last few ISS overflys for August
by Canopus56 25 Aug '05

25 Aug '05

----------------- The Earth passed through two CME clouds last night, resulting in kp7 geomagnetic distrubance and aurora as far south as Yampa, Colorado at 4:00am. http://www.spaceweather.com I was too out-of-it to go look. Anyone see anything? ----------------- The last few early morning August overflights of the ISS are: Thursday 25 August 2005 5h17m33s ISS Appears 5h14m47s 1.0m az:322.0d NW h:9.6d Transit 5h17m33s 0.5m az: 28.2d NNE h:30.9d Disappears 5h22m22s 3.4m az:104.9d ESE Good low horizon track on star chart Nautical twilight: 5:44am Sunrise: 6:47am Friday 26 August 2005 5h43m52s ISS Appears 5h40m53s 0.7m az:305.3d NW h:9.9d Transit 5h43m52s -2.0m az:217.2d SW h:84.3d Disappears 5h48m48s 2.8m az:129.0d SE Good zenithal track on star chart Nautical twilight: 5:45am Sunrise: 6:48am Saturday 27 August 2005 6h09m53s ISS Appears 6h07m22s 0.5m az:281.4d WNW h:9.4d Transit 6h09m53s -0.6m az:225.6d SW h:22.4d Disappears 6h14m30s 2.3m az:155.7d SSE Good low horizon track on star chart Nautical twilight: 5:46am Sunrise: 6:49am Wednesday 31 August 2005 21h10m55s ISS Appears 21h06m00s 3.0m az:235.4d SW Transit 21h10m55s -1.8m az:324.2d NW h:77.4d Disappears 21h13m27s 0.4m az: 50.7d NE h:13.2d Good zenithal track on star chart Nautical twilight: 21:04pm Sunset: 20:13 - Canopus56(Kurt) ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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Launch tonight (& a funny)
by Patrick Wiggins 25 Aug '05

25 Aug '05

Just a quick reminder that a Minuteman III is scheduled for launch from Vandenberg AFB tomorrow morning (Thursday). Although the launch window extends from 02:01 to 08:01 MDT, there is a good chance lift-off will occur at or shortly after 02:01. In case you are wondering, yes, a launch from S. California is visible from N. Utah. One was so easy to see we saw it from the Midvale Harmons. Now, as to the funny, the scientists on the list might get a kick out of this video (it worked best for me in Quick Time). http://www.biocompare.com/video.asp?id=101 Carpe Noctem! Patrick

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Photo Album
by Edward Lunt 25 Aug '05

25 Aug '05

Hi Everyone; This is my first post to the group and although it doesn't deal with the Science/Religion discussion, it does deal with Astronomy. With the help of Cynthia Blue, I was able to set up a photo album with a number of images that I have imaged over the past year. These images can be viewed at: utahastronomy.com My album is the fifth album on page three under the title of Ed's Album. I hope you enjoy them and, as always, any comments or questions are welcome. I have recently tried my hand at narrow band imaging of Nebula which has turned out quite well. The narrow band images are of M8, M16, and M17. Most of the others are LRGB images. Enjoy; Ed Lunt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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RE: [Utah-astronomy] Missing mass
by Michael Carnes 25 Aug '05

25 Aug '05

There may not be as much missing mass as we think. As a matter of fact, I'm keeping a few pounds of it safely under my belt. As I look around the club, I can see that a few others are hoarding as well.

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RE: [Utah-astronomy] Wolf Creek and Meeting last night
by Michael Carnes 24 Aug '05

24 Aug '05

Don, you mentioned vacuum energy in one of your replies. This brings to mind an excellent book from a few years back called "The Hole in the Universe: How Scientists Peered Over the Edge of Emptiness and Found Everything", by K.C. Cole. It deals with the science of nothing--why a vacuum isn't and so on. Depending on your nature, it will either put you right to sleep or keep you from sleeping at all. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Hards <chuckhards(a)yahoo.com> Sent: Aug 24, 2005 12:34 PM To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: RE: [Utah-astronomy] Wolf Creek and Meeting last night Thanks, Don. Although perhaps gravitational lensing techniques would have detected them also, I wonder about black holes in mass-poor regions- those with no accretion disks, and thus no emmisions (other than gravity waves). Or perhaps "small" black holes, those unrelated to stellar evolution? Surely we haven't inventoried all possible large forms of baryonic matter. --- "Don J. Colton" <djcolton(a)piol.com> wrote: > He didn't talk about elements with high atomic > numbers. > > He discussed brown dwarfs etc. as a possibility but > said numerous > surveys using gravitation lensing etc. had failed to > convince anyone > this was a significant component. He didn't talk > about the other > possibilities but we ran out of time for questions. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com

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Meeting last night
by Michael Carnes 24 Aug '05

24 Aug '05

I had a last-minute glitch and couldn't make it to the meeting. I really wanted to come, if only to prove I'm not dead yet. Anyone care to give a brief rundown? Thanks much, Michael

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RE: [Utah-astronomy] Wolf Creek and Meeting last night
by Michael Carnes 24 Aug '05

24 Aug '05

Ah blast! I've got an obligation that's going to keep me in town. Have fun. >Several of us are going to Wolf Creek over Labor Day weekend. Any >interest from members of this group? >Dark matter is 25% and dark energy 70%. Dark >matter can be explained by the concept of minimal acceleration, which >may have been confirmed by the Pioneer spacecraft, now at the outskirts >of the solar system We're at an interesting point in physics, just like we were before Einstein's paper on special relativity. At that time, Newtonian physics were at an increasing loss to explain observed phenomina. Relativity extended our understanding while at the same time enclosing Newton's work as something of a subset. This is the mark of two truly successful theories. Newton still works and is encapsulated in Einstein. Now we're at that place once again where observation and theory have reached a point of stress. Very few scientists seem to doubt the expansion of the universe, but theories to explain it (string theory, dark energy, branes, etc) are themselves barely supported by experiment--if at all. Some of these may turn out to be true, but they all smell of conjecture without experimental validation. So it's time for another Einstein (that won't be me). Wonder when we'll get one.

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Science and Religion
by daniel turner 24 Aug '05

24 Aug '05

> Anyone who > has purchased a JMI product has unknowingly, perhaps, > advanced- financed- the ID/creationist agenda I do hope you were joking in this Chuck, because I intend to make fun of you. You have blasted straight through hypocrisy and landed in the middle of absurdity. This is a hobby and people are supposed to have fun at it for crying out loud. The last thing we need is Âpolitically correctÂ telescope hardware. JMI is a successful business in spite of the religious beliefs of the owner, not because of them. In America everyone is welcome to put up their own line of focusers, telescopes, and binoculars and see just how well you can do in those markets, That includes you Chuck, if you think you can make a business succeed by promoting political correctness. ItÂs called freedom; itÂs what America is all about. Just to keep this on the light side, I have a few telescopic fatwa of my own to issue. 1. Any one who drives over telescope truss tubes because heÂs too busy arguing politics should perform the following penance. Make a pilgrimage to London and ask for forgiveness from original Newtonian telescope made by the hand of Isaac himself. 2. Any one who has a cooling fan that blows air across the face of telescope primary mirror should be forced the look through the eyepiece while standing on his head. 3. The LX200 is banned because at the end of the last Star Wars movie Darth Vader had his arms and legs cut off by Obi wan. He now walks around fully prosthetic and sounds like a coffee grinder. So turn away form the dark side Guy. Clear Skies DT Lapsed catholic. PS: I was surprised to find that Microsoft Word knows the correct spelling of Obi wan. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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Re: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Science and Religion
by astrodeb＠charter.net 24 Aug '05

24 Aug '05

We use Walmart Brand catsup. Not by my choosing though. Sigh. Debbie > > From: Chuck Hards <chuckhards(a)yahoo.com> > Date: 2005/08/24 Wed AM 09:33:29 MDT > To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Science and Religion > > I believe I'll consume a third-party condiment- > Del Monte Catsup. > > --- diveboss(a)xmission.com wrote: > > > Quoting Richard Tenney <retenney(a)yahoo.com>: > > > > > And I don't suppose you ever pause before buying > > the > > > Heinz Ketchup, eh Daniel? ;o) > > > > There's no need to pause. There's Hunt's Tomato > > Ketchup, and it doesn't have > > that spoiled aftertaste... ;) > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com >

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