September 2004 - Utah-Astronomy - mailman.xmission.com

RE: [Utah-astronomy] Bowling
by Dale Hooper 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

Wayne, Be sure to look me up when you move up here to "God's country" (aka Cache Valley). We can certainly use more good dedicated amateur astronomers up here. Clear skies, Dale. (Hyde Park) > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Reese [mailto:waynereese@qwest.net] > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:31 AM > To: 'Utah Astronomy' > Subject: RE: [Utah-astronomy] Bowling > > > I would like to participate, but we are moving from Salina to Cache > Valley and will probably be trying to find a home or preparing our > Salina home to sell. But in the future I would like in. > > Are there places to rent metal detectors in SLC? I understand that is > the quickest way to find meteor material. > > Wayne >

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Genesis
by Siegfried Jachmann 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

Make that... I guess this means we don't need to drop a bowling ball anymore. Siegfried

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Wolf Creek?
by Michael Carnes 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

Anybody going up to Wolf Creek tomorrow night? The weather projections (if you believe them) have been improving over the last few days. Michael

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Genesis Excavation Begins
by Jim Gibson 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

I just looked at a live video feed form the Genesis landing site and there are about 8 guys standing around it appearing to be trying to figure out how to get it out of the ground as delicately as possible. It is about ½ berried. It touched down about a ½ mile form a commonly used dirt road. The road is burmed up because it is hard to get vehicles out in that area because the mud is soft out there. JG --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now.

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Genesis Crash Video
by Paul Witte 08 Sep '04

08 Sep '04

http://helix.ksl.com/video/ksl/1/193/19332.ram

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Genesis
by Siegfried Jachmann 08 Sep '04

08 Sep '04

I guess this means we don't need to drop a bowling anymore. Siegfried

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RE: [Utah-astronomy] Bowling ball drop.
by Dale Hooper 08 Sep '04

08 Sep '04

As you may have heard in the press conference, they had a requirement to get the sample section into the clean room w/in 2hrs of reentry. They had some kind of gas onboard to nominally retain positive pressure for that length of time. The project lead said that obviously that requirement has now been waved. It does sound like they will have to deal with contaminated samples - but they currently can't tell how bad the contamination is. They seemed to indicate that it will be somewhere between 3 to 8 hours before they will have things in the clean room. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Hards [mailto:chuckhards@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:44 PM > To: Utah Astronomy > Subject: RE: [Utah-astronomy] Bowling ball drop. > > > Dale, if the sample section has been breached, won't > the samples become contanimated or scattered, and thus > valueless? Is the clock ticking here? Is some > engineer going to have to brave the unfired pyros, don > a bombsquad suit, and start digging? > > > --- Dale Hooper <Dale.Hooper(a)sdl.usu.edu> wrote: > > > The images provided by the helicopter > > seemed to show that the heat shield had separated > > and the sample section had opened - upon impact. > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. > http://messenger.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com > >

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Boom and Bust
by David L Bennett 08 Sep '04

08 Sep '04

This morning Brent Watson, Kim Hyatt, and I flew out to the Wells, Nevada Airport in Brent's Cessna with hopes of catching a glimpse of the Genesis re-entry. At the appointed time we scanned the northwest horizon looking for the approach of Genesis...nothing. We looked overhead, to the west, southwest, and south. Absolutely no visual sign of the re-entry. As we were about to give up hope, we did hear a sonic boom towards the southwest, but no indication of fireball or smoke-train. After a moment, we called Patrick Wiggins and found out that the capsule had crash landed without deploying its chute near Granite Peak. We can only hope there is some data they can retrieve from the samples despite the impact. Dave Bennett

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RE: [Utah-astronomy] Bowling ball drop.
by Dale Hooper 08 Sep '04

08 Sep '04

It looks like the press conference has been moved to 12:30pm our time. Hopefully, some science can still be salvaged. But, it was my understanding they wanted to snag it with the helicopter - because they thought a ground landing with the parasail would be "too hard". The images provided by the helicopter seemed to show that the heat shield had separated and the sample section had opened - upon impact. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Gibson [mailto:jimgibson00@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:58 AM > To: Utah Astronomy > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Bowling ball drop. > > > I saw the spot on the map. It deffinatley landed on Dugway > just north of Granet Mountain. It was barried about half way > up. I saw a chopper view when they first found it. It made a > pretty good splat. The splash made a pretty uniform pattern. > I heard that the wafer (sp?) may be broken but they can still > analyize the piceces. There is a lot of talk floating around > so I don't know how authoritative that was since I heard it > shortly after landing. > > jg > > James Helsby <cyanics(a)xmission.com> wrote: > Approximate coords: > > 40 deg. 7 min. 40 sec > 113 deg. 30 min 29 sec > > JH > > David Dunn wrote: > > >It looks like we wont have to do the bowling ball drop. > Genisis made a good > >crater sample. > > > >Does anyone on the list know where it landed? > > > >I wonder if they will be able to salvage any science from it. > > > >Thanks, > >David Dunn > >801-961-3253 > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Utah-Astronomy mailing list > >Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > >Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com > >

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SETI
by Chuck Hards 08 Sep '04

08 Sep '04

I only caught a portion of the show, but NPR's Talk of the Nation, "Science Friday" show this week was on the subject of SETI. The usual suspects were interviewed, but what grabbed my attention was a new concept, for me anyway, that the most ecconomical way to move information across cosmic distances isn't via electromagnetic radiation. Lasers, radio, microwaves, they all lose to....the mail. I didn't get the details but I think the researchers were computer networking specialists who came to the problem through a back door, so to speak. They postulate that it's much more efficient to load up a "mail truck" with data on media and send it on it's way to it's destination star. Yes, timeliness weighs into the equation also, but even so the slow boat wins. Based on that idea, they are now trying to figure out where the mail of advanced beings would be, that we may actually start to look for it! Possibilities include the interiors of asteroids, comets, planetessimals, etc. If anyone hears when this show will be rebroadcast, please post, thanks. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush

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