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RE: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Winter observing?
by David Dunn 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

The only problem is that you can't fit your 22" Telescope in the plane. Dave Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 1:27 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Winter observing? Death Valley is a bit far. I usually go to St. George. The nights are only in the 20s and the daytime is pretty nice. Although - - - Baja is pretty nice in February. Punta San Francisquito is 90 miles of 4 wheel drive from anywhere, and the electricity is provided by a generator which is turned off at 10:00 pm. The temperature at night there is around 50. Its right on the Sea of Cortez. You hear whales spouting all night and the sunrise is better than any I have seen anywhere else. The best way to get there is by private plane. For info and pics go to: http://www.aeroventure.com/Aeroventure/Places_To_Go/Mexico/Mexico1.htm Brent --- Kim Hyatt <kimharch(a)msn.com> wrote: > Good question, Guy. Where does one go during Utah's > long winters? I've observed in deep snow in the > hills and out in the desert, but it's never warm > enough. Even Utah's "Dixie" is a bit too cold for me > for a long night under the stars. So, I'm hoping > this winter to take a trip to Death Valley for some > serious winter observing, probably in January. > Anyone else game? > > Kim Hyatt Architect > 1849 East 1300 South > Salt Lake City, Utah 84108 > 801.631.5228 > kimharch(a)msn.com<mailto:kimharch@msn.com> > > serius est quam cogitas > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Visit the Photo Gallery: > http://www.utahastronomy.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com

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Genesis - Lockheed Martin strikes again
by Dale Hooper 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

http://www.newscientist.com/news/print.jsp?id=ns99996541 It seems the deceleration sensors on the Genesis space probe were designed "upside down", resulting in the crash of the capsule! Another ooops for Lockheed Martin. This is as bad as messing up SI units and English units for MCO (Mars Climate Orbiter).

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Re: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Technical Problems with Astrophotography
by astrodeb＠charter.net 19 Oct '04

19 Oct '04

I did that last time with the 135mm lens. I guess I didn't rotate it enough to clear the dewshield on the scope. I'll take a test shot next time with the Canon Digital Rebel to make sure I get blue sky instead of the black dewshield. Then I have to move the scope a little in the opposite direction to make sure I'm on target. Debbie > > From: "Kim Hyatt" <kimharch(a)msn.com> > Date: 2004/10/19 Tue PM 03:40:02 MDT > To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Technical Problems with Astrophotography > > Just rotate the camera on the 1/4-20 screw. > > Kim Hyatt Architect > 1849 East 1300 South > Salt Lake City, Utah 84108 > 801.631.5228 > kimharch(a)msn.com<mailto:kimharch@msn.com> > > serius est quam cogitas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: astrodeb(a)charter.net<mailto:astrodeb@charter.net> > To: Utah Astronomy<mailto:utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 1:48 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Technical Problems with Astrophotography > > > Kim, > > Here is the website for the piggy-cam. I don't see how I can get it away from the scope. Maybe Losmandy has a better > solution. > > > http://www.televue.com/engine/page.asp?ID=235<http://www.televue.com/engine/page.asp?ID=235> > > > Debbie > > > > > From: "Kim Hyatt" <kimharch(a)msn.com<mailto:kimharch@msn.com>> > > Date: 2004/10/19 Tue AM 11:03:16 MDT > > To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com<mailto:utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com>> > > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Techinical Problems with Astrophotography > > > > Debbie, don't shoot directly over the front of the tube assembly. You should have plenty of room if you aim the telescope some distance (up to 90 degrees) away from the area you are imaging. Alternately, you might try a ball-type tripod adapter that will allow much more freedom of movement. > > > > Kim Hyatt Architect > > 1849 East 1300 South > > Salt Lake City, Utah 84108 > > 801.631.5228 > > kimharch(a)msn.com<mailto:kimharch@msn.com<mailto:kimharch@msn.com<mailto:kimharch@msn.com>> > > > > serius est quam cogitas > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: astrodeb(a)charter.net<mailto:astrodeb@charter.net<mailto:astrodeb@charter.net<mailto:astrodeb@charter.net>> > > To: utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com<mailto:utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com<mailto:utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com<mailto:utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com>> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 10:10 AM > > Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Techinical Problems with Astrophotography > > > > > > I posted the first of several piggyback shots I took a week ago Friday. I had some problems with light pollution from car headlights and some wind. > > > > But the biggest problem was that my piggy-back adapter is not high enough above the telescope. I got some of the telescope in the lower left corner of the > > slide. I don't know if I should put the piggy-back bracket in another area on the clamshell ring or if I need to have another bracket machined so it is an inch or two taller. > > > > I pointed the camera towards M11 in Scutum and got some of the Milky Way in that area. It is image #18 in Debbie's folder. Hopefully I can get out this weekend and find a solution to my problem without getting a new bracket. The > > E200 film picked up lots of nebulosity in my slides. I was viewing my slides last night while trying to watch the baseball games. Is anybody getting any sleep lately with these ball games going into extra innings? > > > > > > Debbie > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com<mailto:Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com<mailto:Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com<mailto:Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com>> > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy<http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy<http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy<http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy>> > > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com<http://www.utahastronomy.com/<http://www.utahastronomy.com<http://www.utahastronomy.com/>> > > _______________________________________________ > > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com<mailto:Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy<http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy> > > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com<http://www.utahastronomy.com/> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com<mailto:Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy<http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy> > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com<http://www.utahastronomy.com/> > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com >

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off topic
by Kim Hyatt 19 Oct '04

19 Oct '04

I'm appealing to the only people I know who are likely to be more computer savvy than I am. I'm looking for an appropriate anti-virus program to purchase (unless, of course, there's a good one available for free!). Suggestions? Kim Hyatt Architect 1849 East 1300 South Salt Lake City, Utah 84108 801.631.5228 kimharch(a)msn.com<mailto:kimharch@msn.com> serius est quam cogitas

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Re: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Technical Problems with Astrophotography
by astrodeb＠charter.net 19 Oct '04

19 Oct '04

Kim, Here is the website for the piggy-cam. I don't see how I can get it away from the scope. Maybe Losmandy has a better solution. http://www.televue.com/engine/page.asp?ID=235 Debbie > > From: "Kim Hyatt" <kimharch(a)msn.com> > Date: 2004/10/19 Tue AM 11:03:16 MDT > To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Techinical Problems with Astrophotography > > Debbie, don't shoot directly over the front of the tube assembly. You should have plenty of room if you aim the telescope some distance (up to 90 degrees) away from the area you are imaging. Alternately, you might try a ball-type tripod adapter that will allow much more freedom of movement. > > Kim Hyatt Architect > 1849 East 1300 South > Salt Lake City, Utah 84108 > 801.631.5228 > kimharch(a)msn.com<mailto:kimharch@msn.com> > > serius est quam cogitas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: astrodeb(a)charter.net<mailto:astrodeb@charter.net> > To: utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com<mailto:utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 10:10 AM > Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Techinical Problems with Astrophotography > > > I posted the first of several piggyback shots I took a week ago Friday. I had some problems with light pollution from car headlights and some wind. > > But the biggest problem was that my piggy-back adapter is not high enough above the telescope. I got some of the telescope in the lower left corner of the > slide. I don't know if I should put the piggy-back bracket in another area on the clamshell ring or if I need to have another bracket machined so it is an inch or two taller. > > I pointed the camera towards M11 in Scutum and got some of the Milky Way in that area. It is image #18 in Debbie's folder. Hopefully I can get out this weekend and find a solution to my problem without getting a new bracket. The > E200 film picked up lots of nebulosity in my slides. I was viewing my slides last night while trying to watch the baseball games. Is anybody getting any sleep lately with these ball games going into extra innings? > > > Debbie > > > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com<mailto:Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy<http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy> > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com<http://www.utahastronomy.com/> > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com >

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Re: off topic
by Michael Carnes 19 Oct '04

19 Oct '04

I think I've always gotten my rebates, but it always takes so long that it's just some mysterious check when it arrives. I never remember what it was for. Michael Hi Jo, I've sent in rebate forms for various computer products, such as a Chinese language course and either a printer or printer supplies, and never had a response. -- Best wishes, Joe _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com

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Urban star parties
by daniel turner 18 Oct '04

18 Oct '04

Friday was a good night for public access astronomy. The Trailside park session was with the Utah Skies group. They asked for help with an army of third graders. The site is closer to Salt Lake than the Gravel Quarry and is as good an urban dark site as Stansbury Park. My reading of the satellite weather maps said that the clouds should start clearing at 8:00 PM. So we had to do some cloud dodging before the third graders left for bedtime. Lucky it wasnt a school night so we had plenty of customers on up to 10:00 PM. These short nights with a young enthusiastic audience are my favorite kind of star party. . Started out looking at M11, which is my favorite not-quite dark-enough dark sky object. I can fix it with a Telrad as soon as the tail star of Aquila becomes visible. M11 is a wide and dense open cluster with three prominent red giants and it sits in the dense Scutum star cloud, which gives it a rich background of very dim stars. When the clouds covered M11 I went to NGC457, the E.T. cluster. This has fewer stars on a less rich star field Not as good as M11 but a good parking spot until the Perseus Double cluster peeks through the clouds. The double cluster always draws a wows from the viewers. Parked on Polaris for a while to show viewers an easy double star. Also this let me take a break from tracking. This raised a call for more double stars, Please. These people are so polite. So as the peeked out of the clouds, we went to eta and iota Cassiopeia, Almaak, and Alberio. I wanted a galaxy but M31 wouldnt uncover from the clouds. So I went to Mirach and Mirachs ghost, NGC 404. This is a pretty red bright star right next to a faint fuzzy galaxy. Later we say M31 with dust lanes, M32 and M110. For Globular clusters, I hit M2, M13, and M56 as they uncovered from the clouds. Then there was a call for Planetary nebulae. So I hit M57 the Ring, M27 the Dumbbell, NGC6543 the Cats Eye, and NGC7009 the Saturn Nebula. The clouds were leaving but a gusty wind was picking up when I broke down at 10:30 PM. I mingled with some of the Utah Skies club members. They were laughing about the antics of the tinfoil hat faction of their club. Its a problem common to many astronomy clubs. It guess I would rather have an earnest debate with a four year old about black holes, than an earnest lecture from an adult who thinks that the U.S. State Department has established relations with 7 different extra-terrestrial civilizations. At least the 4 year old is still exercising critical thinking. DT _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com

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RE: [Utah-astronomy] off topic
by Josephine Grahn 18 Oct '04

18 Oct '04

Kim, Do you have dial up, DSL, or broadband? There are a series of steps that can be taken to protect yourself, depending on what sort of service you use. Jo

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another Wedge report
by Kim Hyatt 18 Oct '04

18 Oct '04

I should know better by now than to combine business with astronomy. I had work in Monticello Friday morning and in Price Friday afternoon. By the time I reached the Wedge I was too tired to care that the skies were cloudy - didn't even set up my scope. My son and I went to bed early, but I periodically poked my head out of the tent to see if the sky was clear. At about 4:15 Don Colton came by, shined his flashlight on my tent, and said, "Kim, it's clear!" While I was grateful that he woke me to join the observing fun, he scared the *~!# out of me. (But I don't hold it against you Don.) However, I was so tired that I decided to hold out for a clear night Saturday, and so I stayed in my warm sleeping bag and slept until 9:00. Bad choice. Saturday was even more cloudy than Friday, so the observing trip was a bust. Worse, I awoke Sunday to a flat tire and had to limp into Price to get it repaired. Fortunately, the flat seemed to be due to a nail and not the tire-mincing rocks that used to be such a problem. While the Wedge trip was a waste of time from an astronomy perspective, I had a great time with my 6-year-old. On Saturday we went to the Cleveland-Lloyd Dinosaur Quarry and did a little hiking. Anyway, I'll be looking for an opportunity to do some after-midnight observing this week to make up for the disappointment at the Wedge. If anyone wishes to join me... Kim Hyatt Architect 1849 East 1300 South Salt Lake City, Utah 84108 801.631.5228 kimharch(a)msn.com<mailto:kimharch@msn.com> serius est quam cogitas

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RE: [Utah-astronomy] off topic
by Lambert, Aaron 18 Oct '04

18 Oct '04

I haven't tried any of the free ones lately, but your best bet otherwise is either Norton's (http://www.symantec.com/nav/nav_9xnt/) or McAfee's (http://us.mcafee.com/root/package.asp?pkgid=100&cid=9901) They both also have packages that deal with spam, spyware, firewall, etc. Aaron Lambert > -----Original Message----- > From: > utah-astronomy-bounces+aaron.lambert=williams.com(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces+aaron.lambert=williams.com@mail > man.xmissi > on.com]On Behalf Of Kim Hyatt > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:13 AM > To: Utah Astronomy > Subject: [Utah-astronomy] off topic > > > I'm appealing to the only people I know who are likely to be > more computer savvy than I am. I'm looking for an appropriate > anti-virus program to purchase (unless, of course, there's a > good one available for free!). Suggestions? > > Kim Hyatt Architect > 1849 East 1300 South > Salt Lake City, Utah 84108 > 801.631.5228 > kimharch(a)msn.com<mailto:kimharch@msn.com> > > serius est quam cogitas > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com >

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