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August 2019
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> 1. Disastrous trip (Peter Zimowsky)
> 2. Re: Disastrous trip (John Schinnerer)
> 3. Re: Disastrous trip (Dave Scobie)
> 4. Re: Disastrous trip Thanks for info (Peter Zimowsky)
> 5. Re: Disastrous trip Thanks for info (Thomas Buzzi)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 10:10:40 -0600
> From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com>
> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
> Subject: M_Boats: Disastrous trip
> Message-ID: <6C0BB6C2-620F-4CE6-B8D7-1AA1E23538D1(a)mac.com>
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> Hi:
> we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the
> boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the
> M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just
> as cramped?
> Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could be
> bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats and
> all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with
> problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat?
>
>
> Pete Winter Sky
> (Zimowsky)
>
> outdoors writer and photographer
> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/>
> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors
>
>
> "Be with Tahlequah"
> Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of
> 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues
> to the world to help us save your Orca family.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 10:07:09 -0700
> From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net>
> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Disastrous trip
> Message-ID: <9d8cdbc2-3510-f50a-d07a-5841e55cb466(a)eco-living.net>
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>
> Having an M17 and having been on two different M15s, I will say the M17
> is quite a bit roomier. The cockpit, the cabin, the foredeck...amazing
> how much more volume two feet of length and more beam provides.
>
> And, 'roomier' is relative - it's still a 'pocket' cruiser.
>
> I would say a first step would be to visit an M17 somewhere in person
> and feel the difference - your wife as well as you.
>
> The main concern with older M17s in particular is swelling in the keel,
> locking the CB from moving down and up. From the steel punchings used as
> ballast in early years. They can rust enough to swell enough to do that,
> if water has gotten into the keel.
> I don't recall when it switched to lead, someone here probably does.
>
> Other than that, just the usual stuff on an older boat, not specific to
> an M17. Rigging, hardware, wear and tear, etc.
>
> cheers,
> John
>
>
>
> On 8/10/19 9:10 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats wrote:
> > Hi:
> > we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the
> boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the
> M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just
> as cramped?
> > Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could
> be bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats
> and all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with
> problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat?
> >
> >
> > Pete Winter Sky
> > (Zimowsky)
> >
> > outdoors writer and photographer
> > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/>
> > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors
> >
> >
> > "Be with Tahlequah"
> > Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer
> of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial
> issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
> --------------------------------------------
> - Eco-Living -
> Whole Systems Design Services
> People - Place - Learning - Integration
> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334
> http://eco-living.net
> http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 10:19:45 -0700
> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
> To: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com>, For and about Montgomery
> Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Disastrous trip
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>
> Peter:
>
> First questions for you - what was 'to small'? The berth (M15's is
> larger), no place to sit upright? No private head? No full galley? These
> are things that an M17 barely will give you nare no better than on the M15.
>
>
> :: Dave Scobie
> :: M6'8" #650
> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 10, 2019, 9:11 AM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats <
> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi:
> > we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the
> > boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the
> > M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just
> > as cramped?
> > Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could be
> > bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats
> and
> > all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with
> > problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat?
> >
> >
> > Pete Winter Sky
> > (Zimowsky)
> >
> > outdoors writer and photographer
> > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/>
> > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors
> >
> >
> > "Be with Tahlequah"
> > Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of
> > 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial
> issues
> > to the world to help us save your Orca family.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 11:33:09 -0600
> From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com>
> To: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
> Cc: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Disastrous trip Thanks for info
> Message-ID: <D0BA448E-56AB-41C2-806C-24480DB985F6(a)mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> hi:
> Thanks for info. Maybe a pocket cruiser isn?t for me. Heaven forbid, but
> do I need a Catalina 22 or something that big? Ugh?
>
> Pete Winter Sky
> (Zimowsky)
>
> outdoors writer and photographer
> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/>
> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors
>
>
> "Be with Tahlequah"
> Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of
> 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues
> to the world to help us save your Orca family.
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 10, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Peter:
> >
> > First questions for you - what was 'to small'? The berth (M15's is
> larger), no place to sit upright? No private head? No full galley? These
> are things that an M17 barely will give you nare no better than on the M15.
> >
> >
> > :: Dave Scobie
> > :: M6'8" #650
> > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com <http://sv-swallow.com/>
> > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com <http://m17-375.com/>
> > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ <
> http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/>
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 10, 2019, 9:11 AM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats <
> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com <mailto:
> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> wrote:
> > Hi:
> > we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the
> boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the
> M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just
> as cramped?
> > Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could
> be bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats
> and all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with
> problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat?
> >
> >
> > Pete Winter Sky
> > (Zimowsky)
> >
> > outdoors writer and photographer
> > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> <
> http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/ <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/
> >>
> > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors
> >
> >
> > "Be with Tahlequah"
> > Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer
> of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial
> issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 12:53:37 -0500
> From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com>
> To: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com>, For and about Montgomery
> Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Disastrous trip Thanks for info
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> Peter, I had a Flicka 20. It was a GREAT boat for single or double
> occupancy. Seaworthy as they come, toilet, stove, lots of storage, HEADROOM
> and I am 6' tall!. Wait for it......it weighs 6000 pounds. You would
> probably need a semi rig to haul it up a boat ramp if you could find one
> steep enough. Every boat is a compromise. I sold the Flicka (very sad
> day!!) because I wanted to explore "foreign waters" inland. Presently own a
> 17 and yes, it is not for most women although I once had a partner who was
> tougher than I was and we loved the boat----together. NOW is the time to
> take your time and research, research, research. Include your wife in all
> of that, if she intends to be with you in your nautical adventures. No
> matter how much fun they may be they will never be fun if your mate is not
> smiling. Wait for it, again, you are headed for one of the two happiest
> days in a boat owner's life, the day he finds his "dreamboat". The other
> day depends on how well you research before the first day.
> Good luck and fair winds,
> Tom, Monty 17, 1977, #258, AS-IS
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> On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 12:33 PM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats <
> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
>
> > hi:
> > Thanks for info. Maybe a pocket cruiser isn?t for me. Heaven forbid, but
> > do I need a Catalina 22 or something that big? Ugh?
> >
> > Pete Winter Sky
> > (Zimowsky)
> >
> > outdoors writer and photographer
> > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/>
> > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors
> >
> >
> > "Be with Tahlequah"
> > Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of
> > 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial
> issues
> > to the world to help us save your Orca family.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Aug 10, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Peter:
> > >
> > > First questions for you - what was 'to small'? The berth (M15's is
> > larger), no place to sit upright? No private head? No full galley? These
> > are things that an M17 barely will give you nare no better than on the
> M15.
> > >
> > >
> > > :: Dave Scobie
> > > :: M6'8" #650
> > > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com <http://sv-swallow.com/>
> > > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com <http://m17-375.com/>
> > > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ <
> > http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/>
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Aug 10, 2019, 9:11 AM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats <
> > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com <mailto:
> > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> wrote:
> > > Hi:
> > > we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the
> > boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the
> > M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just
> > as cramped?
> > > Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could
> > be bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats
> > and all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with
> > problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat?
> > >
> > >
> > > Pete Winter Sky
> > > (Zimowsky)
> > >
> > > outdoors writer and photographer
> > > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> <
> > http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/ <
> http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/
> > >>
> > > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors
> > >
> > >
> > > "Be with Tahlequah"
> > > Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer
> > of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial
> > issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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Hi:
we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the boat (M15). Didn’t work out. She doesn’t like how small it is. I love the M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just as cramped?
Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could be bad because I’ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats and all the problems. I don’t want to give up a good boat for one with problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat?
Pete Winter Sky
(Zimowsky)
outdoors writer and photographer
www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/>
Twitter: @zimosoutdoors
"Be with Tahlequah"
Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.
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