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Re: M_Boats: Disastrous Trip
by brad kurlancheek 12 Aug '19

12 Aug '19

Ahh, women, what're you gonna do! Consider yourself blessed. Now you get to have your Monty all to yourself! Cheers On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 2:01 PM < montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Disastrous trip (Peter Zimowsky) > 2. Re: Disastrous trip (John Schinnerer) > 3. Re: Disastrous trip (Dave Scobie) > 4. Re: Disastrous trip Thanks for info (Peter Zimowsky) > 5. Re: Disastrous trip Thanks for info (Thomas Buzzi) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 10:10:40 -0600 > From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Disastrous trip > Message-ID: <6C0BB6C2-620F-4CE6-B8D7-1AA1E23538D1(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi: > we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the > boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the > M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just > as cramped? > Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could be > bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats and > all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with > problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat? > > > Pete Winter Sky > (Zimowsky) > > outdoors writer and photographer > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > > "Be with Tahlequah" > Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of > 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues > to the world to help us save your Orca family. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 10:07:09 -0700 > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Disastrous trip > Message-ID: <9d8cdbc2-3510-f50a-d07a-5841e55cb466(a)eco-living.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Having an M17 and having been on two different M15s, I will say the M17 > is quite a bit roomier. The cockpit, the cabin, the foredeck...amazing > how much more volume two feet of length and more beam provides. > > And, 'roomier' is relative - it's still a 'pocket' cruiser. > > I would say a first step would be to visit an M17 somewhere in person > and feel the difference - your wife as well as you. > > The main concern with older M17s in particular is swelling in the keel, > locking the CB from moving down and up. From the steel punchings used as > ballast in early years. They can rust enough to swell enough to do that, > if water has gotten into the keel. > I don't recall when it switched to lead, someone here probably does. > > Other than that, just the usual stuff on an older boat, not specific to > an M17. Rigging, hardware, wear and tear, etc. > > cheers, > John > > > > On 8/10/19 9:10 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats wrote: > > Hi: > > we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the > boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the > M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just > as cramped? > > Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could > be bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats > and all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with > problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat? > > > > > > Pete Winter Sky > > (Zimowsky) > > > > outdoors writer and photographer > > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> > > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > > > > > "Be with Tahlequah" > > Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer > of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial > issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. > > > > > > > > > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 10:19:45 -0700 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com>, For and about Montgomery > Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Disastrous trip > Message-ID: > < > CAGjBOA5dYkOE8--3_bS6OEV3iDc38SLSG5hCis4GPFfJj6i7Wg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Peter: > > First questions for you - what was 'to small'? The berth (M15's is > larger), no place to sit upright? No private head? No full galley? These > are things that an M17 barely will give you nare no better than on the M15. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ > > > On Sat, Aug 10, 2019, 9:11 AM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > Hi: > > we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the > > boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the > > M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just > > as cramped? > > Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could be > > bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats > and > > all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with > > problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat? > > > > > > Pete Winter Sky > > (Zimowsky) > > > > outdoors writer and photographer > > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> > > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > > > > > "Be with Tahlequah" > > Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of > > 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial > issues > > to the world to help us save your Orca family. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 11:33:09 -0600 > From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com> > To: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Cc: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Disastrous trip Thanks for info > Message-ID: <D0BA448E-56AB-41C2-806C-24480DB985F6(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > hi: > Thanks for info. Maybe a pocket cruiser isn?t for me. Heaven forbid, but > do I need a Catalina 22 or something that big? Ugh? > > Pete Winter Sky > (Zimowsky) > > outdoors writer and photographer > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > > "Be with Tahlequah" > Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of > 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues > to the world to help us save your Orca family. > > > > > > On Aug 10, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Peter: > > > > First questions for you - what was 'to small'? The berth (M15's is > larger), no place to sit upright? No private head? No full galley? These > are things that an M17 barely will give you nare no better than on the M15. > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: M6'8" #650 > > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com <http://sv-swallow.com/> > > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com <http://m17-375.com/> > > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ < > http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/> > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 10, 2019, 9:11 AM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com <mailto: > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> wrote: > > Hi: > > we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the > boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the > M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just > as cramped? > > Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could > be bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats > and all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with > problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat? > > > > > > Pete Winter Sky > > (Zimowsky) > > > > outdoors writer and photographer > > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> < > http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/ <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/ > >> > > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > > > > > "Be with Tahlequah" > > Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer > of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial > issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 12:53:37 -0500 > From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> > To: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com>, For and about Montgomery > Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Disastrous trip Thanks for info > Message-ID: > < > CA+TbpAWXObHDHAm68gvQbio2K_UBPncuP4TDOGi3H9SkTm2LoA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Peter, I had a Flicka 20. It was a GREAT boat for single or double > occupancy. Seaworthy as they come, toilet, stove, lots of storage, HEADROOM > and I am 6' tall!. Wait for it......it weighs 6000 pounds. You would > probably need a semi rig to haul it up a boat ramp if you could find one > steep enough. Every boat is a compromise. I sold the Flicka (very sad > day!!) because I wanted to explore "foreign waters" inland. Presently own a > 17 and yes, it is not for most women although I once had a partner who was > tougher than I was and we loved the boat----together. NOW is the time to > take your time and research, research, research. Include your wife in all > of that, if she intends to be with you in your nautical adventures. No > matter how much fun they may be they will never be fun if your mate is not > smiling. Wait for it, again, you are headed for one of the two happiest > days in a boat owner's life, the day he finds his "dreamboat". The other > day depends on how well you research before the first day. > Good luck and fair winds, > Tom, Monty 17, 1977, #258, AS-IS > > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai… > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai… > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 12:33 PM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > hi: > > Thanks for info. Maybe a pocket cruiser isn?t for me. Heaven forbid, but > > do I need a Catalina 22 or something that big? Ugh? > > > > Pete Winter Sky > > (Zimowsky) > > > > outdoors writer and photographer > > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> > > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > > > > > "Be with Tahlequah" > > Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of > > 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial > issues > > to the world to help us save your Orca family. > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 10, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > Peter: > > > > > > First questions for you - what was 'to small'? The berth (M15's is > > larger), no place to sit upright? No private head? No full galley? These > > are things that an M17 barely will give you nare no better than on the > M15. > > > > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > > :: M6'8" #650 > > > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com <http://sv-swallow.com/> > > > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com <http://m17-375.com/> > > > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ < > > http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/> > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 10, 2019, 9:11 AM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com <mailto: > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> wrote: > > > Hi: > > > we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the > > boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the > > M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just > > as cramped? > > > Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could > > be bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats > > and all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with > > problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat? > > > > > > > > > Pete Winter Sky > > > (Zimowsky) > > > > > > outdoors writer and photographer > > > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> < > > http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/ < > http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/ > > >> > > > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > > > > > > > > "Be with Tahlequah" > > > Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer > > of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial > > issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 198, Issue 3 > ************************************************ >

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Disastrous trip
by Peter Zimowsky 11 Aug '19

11 Aug '19

Hi: we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the boat (M15). Didn’t work out. She doesn’t like how small it is. I love the M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just as cramped? Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could be bad because I’ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats and all the problems. I don’t want to give up a good boat for one with problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat? Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky) outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors "Be with Tahlequah" Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.

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