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M15 transom ladder mounting
by Bruce Chmieleski 18 Aug '19

18 Aug '19

Hi all, I wish to get and install a transom ladder for my M15 but am not sure how to best mount it. Screw down into top horizontal surface of transom? Long thru-bolts through transom vertical surface into cockpit with a backing plate? Other? Thanks for your advice, Bruce Chmieleski M15 364 TenderLee Vacaville, CA Sent by mental telepathy!

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Re: M_Boats: Kestrel
by brad kurlancheek 16 Aug '19

16 Aug '19

Dr Dan, I have seen, I believe, all your videos. Some, several times. They played a big part in my decision to buy and own an M15 3 yrs ago. I think your melancholy is a sign your mind is giving you that you're going down the wrong path here. For the single hander, the Monty has considerable cabin space. Relatively speaking, it's a big, heavy, safe boat. 250 lb keel. No offense against the venerable Scamp, but they're just two different boats. The cabin of what thereof is it, is not fully enclosed. You're open out to the elements. Your privacy is limited. You can't play "big cruising sailboat" like you can with the Monty 15. With the Monty, in a quiet anchorage, you can drop the anchor, close yourself up snug in the cabin, and feel pretty safe. A weatherproof cabin when out cruising is a godsend. I would think while cruising in the Scamp, you're going to miss having a weatherproof cabin. That said, any boat you make, you're going to love. They're like your own kids. I should know: I've built 3 sailboats and 3 canoes. Love them all. You're owning now your own hand made wooden boat is going to be great. Does it mean it will replace the many capabilities of the Monty 15? In this case, I'm not seeing it. I think, yes, you'll love your Scamp, like nothing else, but you'll miss your M15, too, and will wonder just what were you thinking when you gave it up. Just my thoughts. Good luck. - Brad On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 2:05 PM < montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Monty #208 Kestrel for sale (Daniel Rich) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 11:52:59 -0700 > From: "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Monty #208 Kestrel for sale > Message-ID: <035401d5539a$a9686dc0$fc394940$(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Montypals: > > > > With sad heart I think I have to sell Kestrel, my trusty M15. I have a > SCAMP > near completion in my garage, and I just don't have the time or space for > two boats. I took Kestrel out yesterday for another voyage in my favorite > sailing spot, Tomales Bay, CA. > > > > https://youtu.be/oIPqQpxryXo > > > > Those of you on this board for a long time know this boat through my blog > and videos. I am the third owner of this 1982 Jerry Montgomery built craft. > She is a terrific boat. Very sea worthy. Over the years I have set the boat > up to sail the way I want. I added a topping lift and boom vang. I have > fairleads over the cam cleats for the jib sheets for single handing. I have > reefing set up with a tack hook, rings on the sail, and jiffy lines in the > main. Capture shackles for easy setting of the halyards. Lots of little > things like that. In short, she sails well. I have crisp Hyde Sails from > JudyB with not much time on them. Full 110 jib and 90 jib as well as the > main. Excellent beefy Pacific trailer with trailer extension. The trailer > weighs 700 lbs itself! > > > > Lots of videos about this boat on my channel at > > > > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmcGEC4oxIDuxI076ElvafQ?view_as=subscriber > > > > I also have a blog with lots of posts years past about the boat. > > > > https://danielsailingandcycling.wordpress.com/ > > > > Yesterday's sail was very melancholy, thinking that it could be the last > with Kestrel. Also, used to sail with my dog Flash on the boat, but he left > earth for dog heaven in 2017. But, times change, and given my full time > career and new boat in the boat shop at home, she's gotta go. I'm hoping > she > goes to a good home. > > > > The boat is very seaworthy, but could use some cosmetics. The hull gelcoat > is dull and chalky, and could use a nice buffing. The teak is old, and > despite sanding and teak oil, is cosmetically so-so. Good on the hands > though. The rudder could use a sanding but works great. Centerboard is > working perfectly. Looks like somebody worked on the pin 20 years ago. > Might > wanna put a little putty over the pin. > > > > For a 1982 she works great. > > > > Lemme know if anybody wants this boat. Otherwise, off to craigslist! > > > > I am located in Sonoma County, Sebastopol, CA. > > > > Daniel > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 198, Issue 9 > ************************************************ >

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Monty #208 Kestrel for sale
by Daniel Rich 15 Aug '19

15 Aug '19

Montypals: With sad heart I think I have to sell Kestrel, my trusty M15. I have a SCAMP near completion in my garage, and I just don't have the time or space for two boats. I took Kestrel out yesterday for another voyage in my favorite sailing spot, Tomales Bay, CA. https://youtu.be/oIPqQpxryXo Those of you on this board for a long time know this boat through my blog and videos. I am the third owner of this 1982 Jerry Montgomery built craft. She is a terrific boat. Very sea worthy. Over the years I have set the boat up to sail the way I want. I added a topping lift and boom vang. I have fairleads over the cam cleats for the jib sheets for single handing. I have reefing set up with a tack hook, rings on the sail, and jiffy lines in the main. Capture shackles for easy setting of the halyards. Lots of little things like that. In short, she sails well. I have crisp Hyde Sails from JudyB with not much time on them. Full 110 jib and 90 jib as well as the main. Excellent beefy Pacific trailer with trailer extension. The trailer weighs 700 lbs itself! Lots of videos about this boat on my channel at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmcGEC4oxIDuxI076ElvafQ?view_as=subscriber I also have a blog with lots of posts years past about the boat. https://danielsailingandcycling.wordpress.com/ Yesterday's sail was very melancholy, thinking that it could be the last with Kestrel. Also, used to sail with my dog Flash on the boat, but he left earth for dog heaven in 2017. But, times change, and given my full time career and new boat in the boat shop at home, she's gotta go. I'm hoping she goes to a good home. The boat is very seaworthy, but could use some cosmetics. The hull gelcoat is dull and chalky, and could use a nice buffing. The teak is old, and despite sanding and teak oil, is cosmetically so-so. Good on the hands though. The rudder could use a sanding but works great. Centerboard is working perfectly. Looks like somebody worked on the pin 20 years ago. Might wanna put a little putty over the pin. For a 1982 she works great. Lemme know if anybody wants this boat. Otherwise, off to craigslist! I am located in Sonoma County, Sebastopol, CA. Daniel

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Sailing safety
by Conbert Benneck 14 Aug '19

14 Aug '19

Hi Peter, Safety: This really has nothing to do with the size of your boat, assuming that it is a seaworthy boat like the Montgomerys are, but it has everything to do with the amount of sailing experience you have amassed over time. In other words, have you accumulated enough sea miles so that you feel comfortable being out in whatever conditions Poseidon throws at you? Let me give you my first example: an ocean going; very safe 30-footer that has been around the world several times sailed by various owners. If you give a rank sailing beginner such a boat, who has had very little sailing experience; doesn't know how to reef a sail; doesn't know what precautions to take if the weather deteriorates; can't "read" the weather, or the changing wind speed, and who hasn't a clue of what they should do next, can't navigate; doesn't know how to use a marine radio; they are a disaster looking for a place to happen. If the weather deteriorates; or the fog rolls in; or a front passes through and things get rough; they haven't a clue about what they should be doing for their own safety or for the boat's safety. The other end of the scale is the experienced seaman - Captain Bligh set adrift in an open long boat with 18 crew members in the Pacific ocean by the mutineers. Captain Bligh sailed the open long boat across the Pacific to Indonesia, and landed there safely. Sailors sailing very small boats have successfully crossed the Atlantic and a M15 sailed from San Diego to Hawaii. Sailing on inland lakes can be far more dangerous sailing than being out on the open ocean Lakes can be subject to sudden extreme gusts blowing out of a valley. One minute it's a flat calm and a minute later its batten down the hatches; the lee rail is underwater, and your boat is vastly over canvased.... Out on the ocean you may have a front coming through but you - with nautical experience - can see its coming far off in the distance and start by reefing and putting on oilskins and boots; putting in the hatch boards and closing the companionway hatch. You also are listening to NOAA weather radio; other radio traffic in the greater area gathering information so that you, as Captain, can decide what to do next. You may head for a harbor a mile or two distant; or if out on open waters you prepare the boat for rough conditions; make sure that everything is stowed properly down below; put on safety harnesses; check that all sea cocks are closed and the toilet bowl is empty; prepare some hot coffee in a Thermos bottle if your destination is several hours away. Lots of sailing experience is the big difference between what for you is reasonable and normal, or what would be sheer terror for a newbie. There is an old statement: it is better to be standing on the dock wishing you were out sailing, then to be out sailing wishing your were standing on a dock. Your lack of sailing experience keeps you on the dock. Previous sailing experience under varied weather conditions tells you it will be rough out there, but let's go..... we have a schedule we want to meet. The more you expand your sailing knowledge the better, and safer sailor you will become. Happy sailing Connie

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M17 #94 for sale
by Julie Bishop 13 Aug '19

13 Aug '19

We are selling our M17 #94 if anyone is interested. Call Tim at 906.280.8923. It’s in Escanaba, MI Sent from my iPhone

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Re: M_Boats: Safety at remote launch ramps
by thomaspbuzzi 13 Aug '19

13 Aug '19

Trail cam with warning plaque. Great idea!Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: Larry Pegg via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Date: 8/13/19 2:28 PM (GMT-06:00) To: rapidz(a)mac.com, montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com, rustyinafrica(a)yahoo.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Safety at remote launch ramps Trail camif I was worried I'd get a cheap trail cam or two and put up.At your service Larry Pegg larrypegg(a)aol.com-----Original Message-----From: Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>To: Rusty Knorr <rustyinafrica(a)yahoo.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>Sent: Tue, Aug 13, 2019 12:19 pmSubject: Re: M_Boats: Safety at remote launch rampsHi:I’ve never launched in a remote location, even though I’ve had isolation on the water. I’ve found that the boat ramp at Washington Park on Anacortes has been very safe for my rig over the last three years leaving it there for six days. Granted, it is patrolled by park staff daily who make sure you paid your fees. I even forgot my mandolin in the car when I launched and no one broke into it. I think it depends on the boat ramp. I will gladly pay daily parking fees at marinas or parks for the safety factor. Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky)outdoors writer and photographerwww.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/>Twitter: @zimosoutdoors"Be with Tahlequah"Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.> On Aug 13, 2019, at 1:01 PM, Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > Hello Thomas and all,> > I have worried about the same thing at trailheads, while backpacking remote locations, and seeing broken glass in the parking lot. My car was severely vandalized only once during an overnight backpacking trip, and pushed backwards into the Little Spokane River! That was when parked near a major city though, not in a remote location. I think, given common sense like keeping nothing visible anywhere inside your vehicle, that your rig is probably safer at a launch ramp than parked overnight on the street in front of your house, where our cars were broken into multiple times, and stolen once!> > Living in fear can be paralyzing, and can keep you from enjoying anything. At a certain point you have accept that bad things can happen and may, take steps to minimize as much risk as you can, and then get on with living life and enjoy yourself. If something feels bad it probably is, listen to your gut. But it’s risky going out your front door, not to mention sailing a small boat! If you are routinely solo sailing (or doing any adventuring) out of cell service, get a Delorme Inreach. Satellite reception for lifesaving emergencies, and simple texting for non emergency communication. Not cheap, but what’s your piece of mind worth?> > Get out there and enjoy yourself, don’t look back. > > Rusty> > https://explore.garmin.com/en-US/inreach/> > >> >> Dave, Pete, others,>> I read about sailing solo in out of the way places around the country for>> peace and quiet. There is a launch ramp but no one else around, no stores,>> nothing. When you sail away, your vehicle and trailer are just left there,>> in the middle of nowhere. How do you deal with the idea that if someone>> showed up and vandalized or stole your rig there would be no way to stop>> them?? No way to get yourself, much less your boat to safety. Most of those>> remote areas do not have cell service.>> I live in Texas and have traveled all over the state by car and no matter>> where I travel, no matter how far away from civilization I am I will find>> bullet holes in road signs. That tells me there ARE people out here that>> think nothing about destroying public property and have nothing else to do>> but that or perhaps, loot, some luckless boater's vehicle and trailer. I do>> not think Texas has a monopoly on such people.>> Tom B, Monty 17, AS-IS

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The safety of the M15
by Peter Zimowsky 13 Aug '19

13 Aug '19

Hi folks: I don’t want to be a bother, posting lots of novice questions. However, I’m new to my M15 “Chinook Breeze” No. 377. I’ve only been sailing it for four years and with only three open water adventures in the San Juan Islands. When I pull into a marina like Friday Harbor, Rosario or Roche, people often remark “That’s a small boat. Should you really be out here?” “It’s pretty gutsy for you to be out here.” And since I’m 72, people think I’m crazy. I think I’ve had more hair-raising adventures on my local reservoir than in the islands. So, how safe is it to be solo sailing in the islands or some other larger bodies of water? I know the Monty 15 has crossed the ocean. How safe is it to be only one boat on a trip without others. I like to sail solo for the peace and contemplation. Thanks again for such a wonderful email forum helping beginner boaters. Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky) outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors "Be with Tahlequah" Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.

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Safety at remote launch ramps
by Rusty Knorr 13 Aug '19

13 Aug '19

Hello Thomas and all, I have worried about the same thing at trailheads, while backpacking remote locations, and seeing broken glass in the parking lot. My car was severely vandalized only once during an overnight backpacking trip, and pushed backwards into the Little Spokane River! That was when parked near a major city though, not in a remote location. I think, given common sense like keeping nothing visible anywhere inside your vehicle, that your rig is probably safer at a launch ramp than parked overnight on the street in front of your house, where our cars were broken into multiple times, and stolen once! Living in fear can be paralyzing, and can keep you from enjoying anything. At a certain point you have accept that bad things can happen and may, take steps to minimize as much risk as you can, and then get on with living life and enjoy yourself. If something feels bad it probably is, listen to your gut. But it’s risky going out your front door, not to mention sailing a small boat! If you are routinely solo sailing (or doing any adventuring) out of cell service, get a Delorme Inreach. Satellite reception for lifesaving emergencies, and simple texting for non emergency communication. Not cheap, but what’s your piece of mind worth? Get out there and enjoy yourself, don’t look back. Rusty https://explore.garmin.com/en-US/inreach/ > > Dave, Pete, others, > I read about sailing solo in out of the way places around the country for > peace and quiet. There is a launch ramp but no one else around, no stores, > nothing. When you sail away, your vehicle and trailer are just left there, > in the middle of nowhere. How do you deal with the idea that if someone > showed up and vandalized or stole your rig there would be no way to stop > them?? No way to get yourself, much less your boat to safety. Most of those > remote areas do not have cell service. > I live in Texas and have traveled all over the state by car and no matter > where I travel, no matter how far away from civilization I am I will find > bullet holes in road signs. That tells me there ARE people out here that > think nothing about destroying public property and have nothing else to do > but that or perhaps, loot, some luckless boater's vehicle and trailer. I do > not think Texas has a monopoly on such people. > Tom B, Monty 17, AS-IS

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Re: M_Boats: Disastrous trip
by Rusty Knorr 12 Aug '19

12 Aug '19

Following this thread with massive interest! I did the Salish 100 singlehanded on my M-15 and a couple of things about the boat were REALLY challenging. Keep in mind I’m also coming from living on a Flicka for many years, so the Monty is a huge compromise from what I’m used to! 1. Sitting headroom! After a week of hunching over in the cabin I was SO tired of bumping my head, kinking my neck and back, and having no place to comfortably relax inside. 2. Toilet time. Granted, the Monty has a place for a Portapotty, but I use wagbags and I could NOT find a comfortable position to sit and use the head with the Fold-To-Go portable toilet I brought. Maybe I can retool this system, but so far it’s not working. What specific Portapotty fits in an M-15? The one I have is too big at the base, and I don’t think I would want to use one anyway, wagbags are great in my opinion. I can see my wife joining me if we are in a marina, but I don’t think proper cruising would work with both of us on an M-15 anchored out. She is not obsessed with sailing, and I love singlehanding, so not a huge deal, but it’s something to consider. I’ve been considering moving to a Scamp, but still debating if that’s a good idea or not. With a boom tent possibly more room than the cabin of an M-15? Beachable for those times you want to bring your wife and camp ashore? Or use filler boards for a huge double berth! Easier to tow, small enough to put in my garage, and part of an instant community, the Scamp is compelling! I’ll keep the Monty for now and deal with it’s compromises, but if a fiberglass Scamp comes up for sale for a great deal I may make the jump and sell my M-15. Thoughts? Rusty Knorr on “Vanilla” www.rustyknorr.weebly.com > On Aug 10, 2019, at 11:00 AM, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Disastrous trip (Peter Zimowsky) > 2. Re: Disastrous trip (John Schinnerer) > 3. Re: Disastrous trip (Dave Scobie) > 4. Re: Disastrous trip Thanks for info (Peter Zimowsky) > 5. Re: Disastrous trip Thanks for info (Thomas Buzzi) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 10:10:40 -0600 > From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Disastrous trip > Message-ID: <6C0BB6C2-620F-4CE6-B8D7-1AA1E23538D1(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi: > we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just as cramped? > Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could be bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats and all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat? > > > Pete Winter Sky > (Zimowsky) > > outdoors writer and photographer > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > > "Be with Tahlequah" > Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 10:07:09 -0700 > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Disastrous trip > Message-ID: <9d8cdbc2-3510-f50a-d07a-5841e55cb466(a)eco-living.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Having an M17 and having been on two different M15s, I will say the M17 > is quite a bit roomier. The cockpit, the cabin, the foredeck...amazing > how much more volume two feet of length and more beam provides. > > And, 'roomier' is relative - it's still a 'pocket' cruiser. > > I would say a first step would be to visit an M17 somewhere in person > and feel the difference - your wife as well as you. > > The main concern with older M17s in particular is swelling in the keel, > locking the CB from moving down and up. From the steel punchings used as > ballast in early years. They can rust enough to swell enough to do that, > if water has gotten into the keel. > I don't recall when it switched to lead, someone here probably does. > > Other than that, just the usual stuff on an older boat, not specific to > an M17. Rigging, hardware, wear and tear, etc. > > cheers, > John > > > >> On 8/10/19 9:10 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats wrote: >> Hi: >> we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just as cramped? >> Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could be bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats and all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat? >> >> >> Pete Winter Sky >> (Zimowsky) >> >> outdoors writer and photographer >> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> >> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >> >> >> "Be with Tahlequah" >> Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. >> >> >> >> > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 10:19:45 -0700 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com>, For and about Montgomery > Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Disastrous trip > Message-ID: > <CAGjBOA5dYkOE8--3_bS6OEV3iDc38SLSG5hCis4GPFfJj6i7Wg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Peter: > > First questions for you - what was 'to small'? The berth (M15's is > larger), no place to sit upright? No private head? No full galley? These > are things that an M17 barely will give you nare no better than on the M15. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ > > > On Sat, Aug 10, 2019, 9:11 AM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > >> Hi: >> we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the >> boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the >> M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just >> as cramped? >> Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could be >> bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats and >> all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with >> problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat? >> >> >> Pete Winter Sky >> (Zimowsky) >> >> outdoors writer and photographer >> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> >> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >> >> >> "Be with Tahlequah" >> Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of >> 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues >> to the world to help us save your Orca family. >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 11:33:09 -0600 > From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com> > To: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Cc: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Disastrous trip Thanks for info > Message-ID: <D0BA448E-56AB-41C2-806C-24480DB985F6(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > hi: > Thanks for info. Maybe a pocket cruiser isn?t for me. Heaven forbid, but do I need a Catalina 22 or something that big? Ugh? > > Pete Winter Sky > (Zimowsky) > > outdoors writer and photographer > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > > "Be with Tahlequah" > Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. > > > > >> On Aug 10, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Peter: >> >> First questions for you - what was 'to small'? The berth (M15's is larger), no place to sit upright? No private head? No full galley? These are things that an M17 barely will give you nare no better than on the M15. >> >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M6'8" #650 >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com <http://sv-swallow.com/> >> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com <http://m17-375.com/> >> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ <http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/> >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 10, 2019, 9:11 AM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com <mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> wrote: >> Hi: >> we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just as cramped? >> Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could be bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats and all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat? >> >> >> Pete Winter Sky >> (Zimowsky) >> >> outdoors writer and photographer >> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/ <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/>> >> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >> >> >> "Be with Tahlequah" >> Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 12:53:37 -0500 > From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> > To: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com>, For and about Montgomery > Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Disastrous trip Thanks for info > Message-ID: > <CA+TbpAWXObHDHAm68gvQbio2K_UBPncuP4TDOGi3H9SkTm2LoA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Peter, I had a Flicka 20. It was a GREAT boat for single or double > occupancy. Seaworthy as they come, toilet, stove, lots of storage, HEADROOM > and I am 6' tall!. Wait for it......it weighs 6000 pounds. You would > probably need a semi rig to haul it up a boat ramp if you could find one > steep enough. Every boat is a compromise. I sold the Flicka (very sad > day!!) because I wanted to explore "foreign waters" inland. Presently own a > 17 and yes, it is not for most women although I once had a partner who was > tougher than I was and we loved the boat----together. NOW is the time to > take your time and research, research, research. Include your wife in all > of that, if she intends to be with you in your nautical adventures. No > matter how much fun they may be they will never be fun if your mate is not > smiling. Wait for it, again, you are headed for one of the two happiest > days in a boat owner's life, the day he finds his "dreamboat". The other > day depends on how well you research before the first day. > Good luck and fair winds, > Tom, Monty 17, 1977, #258, AS-IS > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 12:33 PM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > >> hi: >> Thanks for info. Maybe a pocket cruiser isn?t for me. Heaven forbid, but >> do I need a Catalina 22 or something that big? Ugh? >> >> Pete Winter Sky >> (Zimowsky) >> >> outdoors writer and photographer >> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> >> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >> >> >> "Be with Tahlequah" >> Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of >> 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues >> to the world to help us save your Orca family. >> >> >> >> >>> On Aug 10, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Peter: >>> >>> First questions for you - what was 'to small'? The berth (M15's is >> larger), no place to sit upright? No private head? No full galley? These >> are things that an M17 barely will give you nare no better than on the M15. >>> >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> :: M6'8" #650 >>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com <http://sv-swallow.com/> >>> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com <http://m17-375.com/> >>> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ < >> http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 10, 2019, 9:11 AM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com <mailto: >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> wrote: >>> Hi: >>> we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the >> boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the >> M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just >> as cramped? >>> Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could >> be bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats >> and all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with >> problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat? >>> >>> >>> Pete Winter Sky >>> (Zimowsky) >>> >>> outdoors writer and photographer >>> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> < >> http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/ <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/ >>>> >>> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >>> >>> >>> "Be with Tahlequah" >>> Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer >> of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial >> issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 198, Issue 3 > ************************************************

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Reefing the Mainsail
by Jason Leckie 12 Aug '19

12 Aug '19

Hi All, A couple times now when leaving from port on the Gulf Islands side to cross Georgia Strait, I have left with a reef in the main. Both times, once I have gone through Active Pass and gotten out in the Strait I have found that the reef is unnecessary and I have then removed it. My reefing both times didn't quite look correct but it did the job. My question is, on my boom, a stainless steel 'loop' in the shape of a C is on one side of the boom and on the other side of the boom is a loop in the shape of a J. These loops appear to line up with the reef lines. Is this a standard setup on the Montgomery's and how is the reef line meant to be tied off to these (or are they for something else?) Thank you for your replies. Jason Leckie 'Kuma' 1980 Montgomery 17 Point Roberts, WA / Vancouver, BC

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