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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 185, Issue 6
by Jared Prindle 10 Jul '18

10 Jul '18

I’m not sure why I’m putting my 2¢ in but all of my experiences line up and agree with Dave. Too deep allows my boats to drift to one side or the other. They usually bump/slide back to center but not if they are too far off. Too shallow and well, the only issue is having to crank more than I want to. Maybe the bunk on one side is following a lapstrake grove as the boat slides up and that isn’t allowing the boat to settle in the middle. That wouldn’t happen if you float the boat on further/deeper trailer. I think it’s worth noting that floating many boats (not just M’s) onto a trailer and tightening the strap can but a huge load on the bow eye as the boat gets pulled out of the water and the bow pivots up. This all depends on many things including steepness of ramp and location of winch. Obviously you can try out both ways and you’ll find something that works for you. > On Jul 10, 2018, at 11:00 AM, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 185, Issue 6 (Kevin Acheson) > 2. Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 185, Issue 6 (Doug) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 11:47:33 -0700 > From: Kevin Acheson <acesman(a)gmail.com> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 185, Issue 6 > Message-ID: > <CAL3fjkS7AkY59dUnCQUxLZDqf41yi9HF1xmou6fC=Npqrv2=1g(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I'm going to take a *rare *exception to some of Dave Scobies advice on this > subject. Getting the Trailer deeper into the water will make a *huge* > difference. I have a 1984 vintage M15, on an original Trail-Rite trailer. I > never had trouble getting the boat on squarely until last Fall. Same ramp, > where I'd put in 5 times before. It did the same thing the next two times I > used it, even when I was being careful to line the boat up. In frustration, > I backed the trailer deeper into the water, and the boat came straight onto > the trailer. > > Will trunk guides solve this as well? I don't know. But I'd be willing to > bet that if you got your trailer Deeper into the water, that *would* solve > your problem. On my ramp (12.5% grade) I need to nearly wet my front tire > treads to get the boat to go onto the trailer right. I am looking to make a > trailer extension soon. Because to launch, I am burying too much of the > rear end of my car to do my launches. > > -Kevin > M15 Piccolo (Hull #296) >

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Problems
by doug 10 Jul '18

10 Jul '18

I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the boat to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to starboard, the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That ended up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing something?

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 185, Issue 6
by Kevin Acheson 09 Jul '18

09 Jul '18

I'm going to take a *rare *exception to some of Dave Scobies advice on this subject. Getting the Trailer deeper into the water will make a *huge* difference. I have a 1984 vintage M15, on an original Trail-Rite trailer. I never had trouble getting the boat on squarely until last Fall. Same ramp, where I'd put in 5 times before. It did the same thing the next two times I used it, even when I was being careful to line the boat up. In frustration, I backed the trailer deeper into the water, and the boat came straight onto the trailer. Will trunk guides solve this as well? I don't know. But I'd be willing to bet that if you got your trailer Deeper into the water, that *would* solve your problem. On my ramp (12.5% grade) I need to nearly wet my front tire treads to get the boat to go onto the trailer right. I am looking to make a trailer extension soon. Because to launch, I am burying too much of the rear end of my car to do my launches. -Kevin M15 Piccolo (Hull #296) On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 11:00 AM, < montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ > montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Problems (doug) > 2. Re: Problems (Michael Carter) > 3. Re: Problems (Dave Scobie) > 4. Re: Problems (Janice Smith) > 5. Re: Problems (doug) > 6. Re: Problems (doug) > 7. Re: Problems (doug) > 8. Re: Problems (Dave Scobie) > 9. Re: Problems (Thomas Buzzi) > 10. Re: Problems (Lawrence Winiarski) > 11. Re: Problems (Conbert Benneck) > 12. Re: Problems (doug) > 13. Re: Problems (Dave Scobie) > 14. Re: Problems (Mike Z) > 15. Re: Problems (Doug) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 18:40:11 -0700 > From: doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Problems > Message-ID: <3D829297-B102-44CB-B1CC-E98532A3C089(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I > discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting > the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the boat > to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to starboard, > the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That ended > up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal > draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. > Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the > center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake > several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing > something? > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 20:17:36 -0600 > From: Michael Carter <carterconsultants(a)comcast.net> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems > Message-ID: > <CAH21DUvwsax73Fobh_jN3L_9RBNBYp+kQjdE-uKgoV3_+1UZMA@ > mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Doug, > > I suggest you check your bunk board alignment and make sure they are > snugged down tightly. That was the issue when I had a problem similar to > what you describe. I had a 28-lb. Honda 2 hp, so anything that small and > light shouldn't be a factor. If you have something significantly larger > perhaps that could interfere with proper alignment. > > Mike > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:40 PM, doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I > > discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting > > the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the boat > > to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to starboard, > > the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That > ended > > up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal > > draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. > > Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the > > center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake > > several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing > > something? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 19:20:51 -0700 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems > Message-ID: > <CAGjBOA5dA1b5z8rCXh2LC5cR41X6W5ezTpCRWvOA6W9SA+xh0g@mail. > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > How far into the water were the trailer bunks? So far in that the boat was > floating above the trailer? Or did you need to pull the boat the final two > or so feet onto the trailer (so the bow was testing against the trailer bow > stop)? > > What motor do you have? A Honda 2 or 2.3 doesn't cause the boat to list > (and is more than enough motor for the M15). > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 6:40 PM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I > > discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting > > the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the boat > > to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to starboard, > > the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That > ended > > up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal > > draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. > > Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the > > center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake > > several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing > > something? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 19:05:37 -0700 > From: Janice Smith <smithrj(a)gorge.net> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems > Message-ID: <771F0E6F-AC9B-4652-9D06-AE1D5672BA1D(a)gorge.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Do you have a trailer extension? > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Jul 8, 2018, at 6:40 PM, doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I > discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting > the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the boat > to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to starboard, > the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That ended > up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal > draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. > Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the > center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake > several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing > something? > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 20:14:59 -0700 > From: doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems > Message-ID: <4C67A44A-31BF-436F-8D8F-605F362FF958(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I have a 4 stroke Honda 2hp. I did position the vehicle so that the boat > came about two thirds up the trailer and then I winched it the rest of the > way. When I re-did this, I tried to float the boat to center on the > trailer but it always seemed like the boat wanted to list to one side which > made it off center on the trailer. > > > > > On Jul 8, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > How far into the water were the trailer bunks? So far in that the boat > was > > floating above the trailer? Or did you need to pull the boat the final > two > > or so feet onto the trailer (so the bow was testing against the trailer > bow > > stop)? > > > > What motor do you have? A Honda 2 or 2.3 doesn't cause the boat to list > > (and is more than enough motor for the M15). > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 6:40 PM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I > >> discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting > >> the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the > boat > >> to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to > starboard, > >> the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That > ended > >> up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal > >> draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. > >> Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the > >> center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake > >> several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing > >> something? > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 20:16:12 -0700 > From: doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems > Message-ID: <CDAB8F1F-ACA0-42BC-8960-78B6826895D9(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > No I don?t have an extension. Do I need one. I have been thinking about > it due to the shallow ramps in Oregon on lakes where there has been no ramp > maintenance in twenty years. Just big trucks launching their high powered > race machines and ruining the ramps. > > > On Jul 8, 2018, at 7:05 PM, Janice Smith <smithrj(a)gorge.net> wrote: > > > > Do you have a trailer extension? > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On Jul 8, 2018, at 6:40 PM, doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I > discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting > the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the boat > to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to starboard, > the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That ended > up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal > draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. > Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the > center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake > several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing > something? > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 20:17:14 -0700 > From: doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems > Message-ID: <3F44C972-62AA-43FD-B1BB-00A5C9BC0AE1(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I will check the bunk board alignment and be sure they are snugged down > tight. > Thanks > > > On Jul 8, 2018, at 7:17 PM, Michael Carter < > carterconsultants(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > > Doug, > > > > I suggest you check your bunk board alignment and make sure they are > > snugged down tightly. That was the issue when I had a problem similar to > > what you describe. I had a 28-lb. Honda 2 hp, so anything that small and > > light shouldn't be a factor. If you have something significantly larger > > perhaps that could interfere with proper alignment. > > > > Mike > > > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:40 PM, doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I > >> discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting > >> the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the > boat > >> to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to > starboard, > >> the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That > ended > >> up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal > >> draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. > >> Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the > >> center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake > >> several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing > >> something? > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 20:56:09 -0700 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems > Message-ID: > <CAGjBOA68nrn0LFrcNwYiRa8-RYSp-f_s3wipo4-ivoJtopt7FA@ > mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > A Honda 2 does not cause the boat to list in any significant way. > > Floating the boat over the trailer makes alignment harder. Winching the > boat on will help align it onto the center. You need to assure the boat is > coming into the center of the trailer. Does take some practice. One of my > cues that.tje boat.js centered are the fenders - same overhang both sides > of the boat. While standing at the bow this can be seen - be willing to > stand in the water (why I have zipoff pant legs and weat Crocks for > launching & retrieving. > > If the keel is close to the center of the roller you are good. The boat > will center some as you travel. Drive a few miles and check the boat and > re-snug the strap(s) securing the aft of the boay. To the trailer. > > A tongue extension is only needed it you need to get the vehicle wet. > > If your trailer is a Trail-Rite the bunks bunk supports are fixed and don't > loosen (unless they are rusting away). The Pacific trailers have > adjustable bunk supports that require occasional checking if the fasteners. > > Some folks install keel guides. 1" PVC pipe tha go from the aft trailer > bunk support to just outside the keel roller. This guides the keel to the > roller. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 8:15 PM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > I have a 4 stroke Honda 2hp. I did position the vehicle so that the boat > > came about two thirds up the trailer and then I winched it the rest of > the > > way. When I re-did this, I tried to float the boat to center on the > > trailer but it always seemed like the boat wanted to list to one side > which > > made it off center on the trailer. > > > > > > > > > On Jul 8, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > How far into the water were the trailer bunks? So far in that the boat > > was > > > floating above the trailer? Or did you need to pull the boat the final > > two > > > or so feet onto the trailer (so the bow was testing against the trailer > > bow > > > stop)? > > > > > > What motor do you have? A Honda 2 or 2.3 doesn't cause the boat to > list > > > (and is more than enough motor for the M15). > > > > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 6:40 PM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I > > >> discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was > getting > > >> the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the > > boat > > >> to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to > > starboard, > > >> the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That > > ended > > >> up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the > shoal > > >> draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the > trailer. > > >> Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside > the > > >> center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake > > >> several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing > > >> something? > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 23:34:43 -0500 > From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems > Message-ID: > <CA+TbpAV8h881+x4qS6wc7RNy_NwUBQQjRGf3A-KeYCJP2bbnJw@ > mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Doug, > I have an M 17 and added a couple of 2" diameter PVC pipes, about 4' long, > vertically to the aft end of my trailer so I could always tell where the > end of my trailer is even under water. I also spaced them apart with > brackets so they tend to nudge the hull into the centerline of the trailer > as I winch it in. Worth the effort to install!. > Fair winds > Tom B > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 10:17 PM, doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > I will check the bunk board alignment and be sure they are snugged down > > tight. > > Thanks > > > > > On Jul 8, 2018, at 7:17 PM, Michael Carter < > > carterconsultants(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > Doug, > > > > > > I suggest you check your bunk board alignment and make sure they are > > > snugged down tightly. That was the issue when I had a problem similar > to > > > what you describe. I had a 28-lb. Honda 2 hp, so anything that small > and > > > light shouldn't be a factor. If you have something significantly > larger > > > perhaps that could interfere with proper alignment. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:40 PM, doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I > > >> discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was > getting > > >> the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the > > boat > > >> to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to > > starboard, > > >> the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That > > ended > > >> up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the > shoal > > >> draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the > trailer. > > >> Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside > the > > >> center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake > > >> several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing > > >> something? > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 07:08:09 +0000 (UTC) > From: Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski(a)yahoo.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems > Message-ID: <1874672080.1175244.1531120089142(a)mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I have some keel guides made from PVC pipe? (like 2") and held onto the > trailer with stainless steel hose clamps. > It helps a lot,? i want to get a vertical set of guides also to help and > I'm in process on that. > > i will try and remember to take a picture the next time i unload. > Are you going to Fern Ridge Lake??? > > > > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman. > xmission.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2018 8:56 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems > > A Honda 2 does not cause the boat to list in any significant way. > > Floating the boat over the trailer makes alignment harder.? Winching the > boat on will help align it onto the center. You need to assure the boat is > coming into the center of the trailer.? Does take some practice.? One of my > cues that.tje boat.js centered are the fenders - same overhang both sides > of the boat.? While standing at the bow this can be seen - be willing to > stand in the water (why I have zipoff pant legs and weat Crocks for > launching & retrieving. > > If the keel is close to the center of the roller you are good.? The boat > will center some as you travel.? Drive a few miles and check the boat and > re-snug the strap(s) securing the aft of the boay. To the trailer. > > A tongue extension is only needed it you need to get the vehicle wet. > > If your trailer is a Trail-Rite the bunks bunk supports are fixed and don't > loosen (unless they are rusting away).? The Pacific trailers have > adjustable bunk supports that require occasional checking if the fasteners. > > Some folks install keel guides.? 1" PVC pipe tha go from the aft trailer > bunk support to just outside the keel roller.? This guides the keel to the > roller. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 8:15 PM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > I have a 4 stroke Honda 2hp.? I did position the vehicle so that the boat > > came about two thirds up the trailer and then I winched it the rest of > the > > way.? When I re-did this, I tried to float the boat to center on the > > trailer but it always seemed like the boat wanted to list to one side > which > > made it off center on the trailer. > > > > > > > > > On Jul 8, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > How far into the water were the trailer bunks?? So far in that the boat > > was > > > floating above the trailer? Or did you need to pull the boat the final > > two > > > or so feet onto the trailer (so the bow was testing against the trailer > > bow > > > stop)? > > > > > > What motor do you have?? A Honda 2 or 2.3 doesn't cause the boat to > list > > > (and is more than enough motor for the M15). > > > > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 6:40 PM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon.? But I > > >> discovered some issues that I need help on.? The biggest one was > getting > > >> the boat back on the trailer.? It seems that the outboard weighs the > > boat > > >> to the starboard where it is mounted.? With that small lean to > > starboard, > > >> the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way.? That > > ended > > >> up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the > shoal > > >> draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the > trailer. > > >> Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside > the > > >> center of the trailer where its supposed to rest.? I got in the lake > > >> several times trying to center the boat on the trailer.? Am I missing > > >> something? > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 07:23:51 -0500 > From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> > To: Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems > Message-ID: <e0e4310b-3c61-f17a-1b6c-627d7738fc95(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > My solution to the centering of the keel over the rollers was to build a > "Y" shaped keel centering device in the trailer using plastic pipe (add > drain holes) > > With this device, even if a cross wind is blowing and preventing the > boat from being centered on the trailer, as soon as the keel enters the > opening at the top of the "Y"? it forces the boat to the middle of the > trailer and as the boat keel enters the bottom of the "Y" it is forced > to straighten up over the rollers so that it is always properly aligned. > > It worked very well with a Trailrite trailer. > > I also had vertical plastic pipes at the end of the trailer.? If your > trailer is underwater, and the water is murky, how can you know how to > approach the trailer without guideposts? > > Connie > > ex M15 #400? LEPPO > > > On 7/9/2018 2:08 AM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote: > > I have some keel guides made from PVC pipe? (like 2") and held onto the > trailer with stainless steel hose clamps. > > It helps a lot,? i want to get a vertical set of guides also to help and > I'm in process on that. > > > > i will try and remember to take a picture the next time i unload. > > Are you going to Fern Ridge Lake? > > > > > > > > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman. > xmission.com> > > Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2018 8:56 PM > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems > > > > A Honda 2 does not cause the boat to list in any significant way. > > > > Floating the boat over the trailer makes alignment harder.? Winching the > > boat on will help align it onto the center. You need to assure the boat > is > > coming into the center of the trailer.? Does take some practice.? One of > my > > cues that.tje boat.js centered are the fenders - same overhang both sides > > of the boat.? While standing at the bow this can be seen - be willing to > > stand in the water (why I have zipoff pant legs and weat Crocks for > > launching & retrieving. > > > > If the keel is close to the center of the roller you are good.? The boat > > will center some as you travel.? Drive a few miles and check the boat and > > re-snug the strap(s) securing the aft of the boay. To the trailer. > > > > A tongue extension is only needed it you need to get the vehicle wet. > > > > If your trailer is a Trail-Rite the bunks bunk supports are fixed and > don't > > loosen (unless they are rusting away).? The Pacific trailers have > > adjustable bunk supports that require occasional checking if the > fasteners. > > > > Some folks install keel guides.? 1" PVC pipe tha go from the aft trailer > > bunk support to just outside the keel roller.? This guides the keel to > the > > roller. > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 8:15 PM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> I have a 4 stroke Honda 2hp.? I did position the vehicle so that the > boat > >> came about two thirds up the trailer and then I winched it the rest of > the > >> way.? When I re-did this, I tried to float the boat to center on the > >> trailer but it always seemed like the boat wanted to list to one side > which > >> made it off center on the trailer. > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Jul 8, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> How far into the water were the trailer bunks?? So far in that the boat > >> was > >>> floating above the trailer? Or did you need to pull the boat the final > >> two > >>> or so feet onto the trailer (so the bow was testing against the trailer > >> bow > >>> stop)? > >>> > >>> What motor do you have?? A Honda 2 or 2.3 doesn't cause the boat to > list > >>> (and is more than enough motor for the M15). > >>> > >>> > >>> :: Dave Scobie > >>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > >>> > >>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 6:40 PM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon.? But I > >>>> discovered some issues that I need help on.? The biggest one was > getting > >>>> the boat back on the trailer.? It seems that the outboard weighs the > >> boat > >>>> to the starboard where it is mounted.? With that small lean to > >> starboard, > >>>> the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way.? That > >> ended > >>>> up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the > shoal > >>>> draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the > trailer. > >>>> Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside > the > >>>> center of the trailer where its supposed to rest.? I got in the lake > >>>> several times trying to center the boat on the trailer.? Am I missing > >>>> something? > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 07:28:49 -0700 > From: doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems > Message-ID: <98E8ECD7-A500-4814-AB58-94913DEE27F5(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > These are great ideas and thank you so much. I can now add to my ?To Do? > list. I will be heading to Lake of the Woods in Oregon this coming > weekend. Hopefully I can get the guide posts done by then. Sounds easy, > but you know that ?sounds easy? is a red flag. > > > On Jul 9, 2018, at 5:23 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > My solution to the centering of the keel over the rollers was to build a > "Y" shaped keel centering device in the trailer using plastic pipe (add > drain holes) > > > > With this device, even if a cross wind is blowing and preventing the > boat from being centered on the trailer, as soon as the keel enters the > opening at the top of the "Y" it forces the boat to the middle of the > trailer and as the boat keel enters the bottom of the "Y" it is forced to > straighten up over the rollers so that it is always properly aligned. > > > > It worked very well with a Trailrite trailer. > > > > I also had vertical plastic pipes at the end of the trailer. If your > trailer is underwater, and the water is murky, how can you know how to > approach the trailer without guideposts? > > > > Connie > > > > ex M15 #400 LEPPO > > > > > > On 7/9/2018 2:08 AM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote: > >> I have some keel guides made from PVC pipe (like 2") and held onto the > trailer with stainless steel hose clamps. > >> It helps a lot, i want to get a vertical set of guides also to help > and I'm in process on that. > >> > >> i will try and remember to take a picture the next time i unload. > >> Are you going to Fern Ridge Lake? > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman. > xmission.com> > >> Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2018 8:56 PM > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems > >> A Honda 2 does not cause the boat to list in any significant way. > >> > >> Floating the boat over the trailer makes alignment harder. Winching the > >> boat on will help align it onto the center. You need to assure the boat > is > >> coming into the center of the trailer. Does take some practice. One > of my > >> cues that.tje boat.js centered are the fenders - same overhang both > sides > >> of the boat. While standing at the bow this can be seen - be willing to > >> stand in the water (why I have zipoff pant legs and weat Crocks for > >> launching & retrieving. > >> > >> If the keel is close to the center of the roller you are good. The boat > >> will center some as you travel. Drive a few miles and check the boat > and > >> re-snug the strap(s) securing the aft of the boay. To the trailer. > >> > >> A tongue extension is only needed it you need to get the vehicle wet. > >> > >> If your trailer is a Trail-Rite the bunks bunk supports are fixed and > don't > >> loosen (unless they are rusting away). The Pacific trailers have > >> adjustable bunk supports that require occasional checking if the > fasteners. > >> > >> Some folks install keel guides. 1" PVC pipe tha go from the aft trailer > >> bunk support to just outside the keel roller. This guides the keel to > the > >> roller. > >> > >> > >> :: Dave Scobie > >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > >> > >> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 8:15 PM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> I have a 4 stroke Honda 2hp. I did position the vehicle so that the > boat > >>> came about two thirds up the trailer and then I winched it the rest of > the > >>> way. When I re-did this, I tried to float the boat to center on the > >>> trailer but it always seemed like the boat wanted to list to one side > which > >>> made it off center on the trailer. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Jul 8, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> How far into the water were the trailer bunks? So far in that the > boat > >>> was > >>>> floating above the trailer? Or did you need to pull the boat the final > >>> two > >>>> or so feet onto the trailer (so the bow was testing against the > trailer > >>> bow > >>>> stop)? > >>>> > >>>> What motor do you have? A Honda 2 or 2.3 doesn't cause the boat to > list > >>>> (and is more than enough motor for the M15). > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> :: Dave Scobie > >>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > >>>> > >>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 6:40 PM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I > >>>>> discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was > getting > >>>>> the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the > >>> boat > >>>>> to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to > >>> starboard, > >>>>> the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That > >>> ended > >>>>> up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the > shoal > >>>>> draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the > trailer. > >>>>> Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside > the > >>>>> center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake > >>>>> several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing > >>>>> something? > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 08:00:49 -0700 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems > Message-ID: > <CAGjBOA6_S2ymnwWxk8oMc3OFE+o4U2L0tKD7g-WXaS6dJP_zQg@mail. > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Ideas for keel guides in the MSOG.org site: > > http://msog.org/how-to/how-to.cfm > > See subsection 'keel guides' > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > On Mon, Jul 9, 2018, 7:29 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > These are great ideas and thank you so much. I can now add to my ?To > Do? > > list. I will be heading to Lake of the Woods in Oregon this coming > > weekend. Hopefully I can get the guide posts done by then. Sounds easy, > > but you know that ?sounds easy? is a red flag. > > > > > On Jul 9, 2018, at 5:23 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > My solution to the centering of the keel over the rollers was to build > a > > "Y" shaped keel centering device in the trailer using plastic pipe (add > > drain holes) > > > > > > With this device, even if a cross wind is blowing and preventing the > > boat from being centered on the trailer, as soon as the keel enters the > > opening at the top of the "Y" it forces the boat to the middle of the > > trailer and as the boat keel enters the bottom of the "Y" it is forced to > > straighten up over the rollers so that it is always properly aligned. > > > > > > It worked very well with a Trailrite trailer. > > > > > > I also had vertical plastic pipes at the end of the trailer. If your > > trailer is underwater, and the water is murky, how can you know how to > > approach the trailer without guideposts? > > > > > > Connie > > > > > > ex M15 #400 LEPPO > > > > > > > > > On 7/9/2018 2:08 AM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote: > > >> I have some keel guides made from PVC pipe (like 2") and held onto > the > > trailer with stainless steel hose clamps. > > >> It helps a lot, i want to get a vertical set of guides also to help > > and I'm in process on that. > > >> > > >> i will try and remember to take a picture the next time i unload. > > >> Are you going to Fern Ridge Lake? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > > >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > >> Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2018 8:56 PM > > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems > > >> A Honda 2 does not cause the boat to list in any significant way. > > >> > > >> Floating the boat over the trailer makes alignment harder. Winching > the > > >> boat on will help align it onto the center. You need to assure the > boat > > is > > >> coming into the center of the trailer. Does take some practice. One > > of my > > >> cues that.tje boat.js centered are the fenders - same overhang both > > sides > > >> of the boat. While standing at the bow this can be seen - be willing > to > > >> stand in the water (why I have zipoff pant legs and weat Crocks for > > >> launching & retrieving. > > >> > > >> If the keel is close to the center of the roller you are good. The > boat > > >> will center some as you travel. Drive a few miles and check the boat > > and > > >> re-snug the strap(s) securing the aft of the boay. To the trailer. > > >> > > >> A tongue extension is only needed it you need to get the vehicle wet. > > >> > > >> If your trailer is a Trail-Rite the bunks bunk supports are fixed and > > don't > > >> loosen (unless they are rusting away). The Pacific trailers have > > >> adjustable bunk supports that require occasional checking if the > > fasteners. > > >> > > >> Some folks install keel guides. 1" PVC pipe tha go from the aft > trailer > > >> bunk support to just outside the keel roller. This guides the keel to > > the > > >> roller. > > >> > > >> > > >> :: Dave Scobie > > >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > >> > > >> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 8:15 PM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > >>> I have a 4 stroke Honda 2hp. I did position the vehicle so that the > > boat > > >>> came about two thirds up the trailer and then I winched it the rest > of > > the > > >>> way. When I re-did this, I tried to float the boat to center on the > > >>> trailer but it always seemed like the boat wanted to list to one side > > which > > >>> made it off center on the trailer. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> On Jul 8, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> How far into the water were the trailer bunks? So far in that the > > boat > > >>> was > > >>>> floating above the trailer? Or did you need to pull the boat the > final > > >>> two > > >>>> or so feet onto the trailer (so the bow was testing against the > > trailer > > >>> bow > > >>>> stop)? > > >>>> > > >>>> What motor do you have? A Honda 2 or 2.3 doesn't cause the boat to > > list > > >>>> (and is more than enough motor for the M15). > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> :: Dave Scobie > > >>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > >>>> > > >>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 6:40 PM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. > But I > > >>>>> discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was > > getting > > >>>>> the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs > the > > >>> boat > > >>>>> to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to > > >>> starboard, > > >>>>> the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. > That > > >>> ended > > >>>>> up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the > > shoal > > >>>>> draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the > > trailer. > > >>>>> Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting > outside > > the > > >>>>> center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the > lake > > >>>>> several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I > missing > > >>>>> something? > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 13:34:55 -0400 > From: Mike Z <speedernut2(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems > Message-ID: <532B8491-AFE0-4D3A-A0B8-A10D55A66C20(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > +1 on Daves advice to visit MSOG. > > Guideposts would be nice too, but I made a simple keel guide by copying a > clever example from MSOG. A little PVC and some hardware store muffler > clamps. I added some padding of bunk carpet on the PVC using 3M spray glue. > Zip ties held until the glue dried and I ended up just leaving them on. > > I don?t remember which bote you have, but my 15 likes to have the fenders > just submerged. About an inch. > > Naturally your mileage will vary depending on how steep your ramp is and > other factors. > > Welcome and enjoy your Monty. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2018 10:48:03 -0600 > From: Doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems > Message-ID: <9115f6e4-4a9f-4c66-ad8f-c150a14076a6(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Thanks much Mike.?? Guideposts are next. > > ?Sent from BlueMail ? > > On Jul 9, 2018, 11:35 AM, at 11:35 AM, Mike Z <speedernut2(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >+1 on Daves advice to visit MSOG. > > > >Guideposts would be nice too, but I made a simple keel guide by copying > >a clever example from MSOG. A little PVC and some hardware store > >muffler clamps. I added some padding of bunk carpet on the PVC using 3M > >spray glue. Zip ties held until the glue dried and I ended up just > >leaving them on. > > > >I don?t remember which bote you have, but my 15 likes to have the > >fenders just submerged. About an inch. > > > >Naturally your mileage will vary depending on how steep your ramp is > >and other factors. > > > >Welcome and enjoy your Monty. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 185, Issue 6 > ************************************************ >

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Porto Potti
by doug 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

Hey, what do you use for a porta potty in your M-15. The space for one is so so small that I cannot find a single porta potty that would fit in that 12” wide space.

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Rudder Rod
by Kevin Sandwick 04 Jul '18

04 Jul '18

Looking for information on the rudder control rod. The shaft is bent on the boat I recently acquired. I was able to install the rudder but due to the bends in the rod I cannot raise the rudder. Is this part available or do I need to have one made? I have found an online source for C464 "Marine" brass but could use info on exact dimensions or better advice. As always.....Thanks. Kevin M-17 #400 (1985)

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