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Administrative Test - Please Ignore
by A Previous Poster 30 Jan '16

30 Jan '16

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Administrative Test - Please Ignore
by Keith Diehl 30 Jan '16

30 Jan '16

This is a test Please ignore

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Re: M_Boats: Nostalgia
by Keith 30 Jan '16

30 Jan '16

Could be a winner! Anyone earlier? Sent from my SmartPhone, thus explaining the typos -------- Original message -------- From: Howard Audsley <haudsley(a)tranquility.net> Date:01/30/2016 2:58 PM (GMT-07:00) To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Nostalgia I'm a newb. Only been around since September of '99. On Jan 30, 2016, at 3:51 PM, Keith wrote: <snip> > Who, other than myself, has been on the list the longest? >

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Re: M_Boats: forum or email
by Thomas Buzzi 29 Jan '16

29 Jan '16

This whole line came about to try to enhance and enlarge the pool or information and being able to post pictures of what is being done to aid in understanding. I like the existing website too but when it comes time to share information, especially where a photo would be JUST the thing, there turns out to be reefs in that pool of knowledge. I am into my 7th decade so do not take change lightly but also realize even more the power and desirability of in depth communication. Seems that the best of all worlds would be to enhance by whatever means, the present MSOG sight to include a couple of choice improvements. My two cents ( 1/2 cent before inflation) :>} <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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forum or email
by David Grah 29 Jan '16

29 Jan '16

I think Larry Yake and Sal Glesser make good points and would be fine if we stick with what we have and that works in the absence of a compelling reason to change. I wonder if there would be a way to continue this as the arena for the group but figure out a way to supplement it with something else where photos are important. Maybe there is a way not to loose this great thing we have going, get better photo posting, and maybe enhanced search capability? Keith thanks again for making this group work. I find it incredibly valuable. David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky

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Re: M_Boats: forum or email
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 29 Jan '16

29 Jan '16

+1..............centralized is good. In a message dated 1/28/2016 9:01:11 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, larryyake(a)gmail.com writes: Sounds like almost everyone who has contributed to this conversation is all for moving. However, there are a great many more of us out there that haven't been heard from. Maybe because we are happy with what we have. I, for one, do not like the forum / sub forum type of list. Divide a group into pieces and you lose the group. There are already other Montgomery sites out there, with the Trailer Sailor group, the Facebook group, and even the one on the Sage site... and for the most part you have different people in each group. We are already getting splintered into factions. Dividing us further, by boat size, topic, etc. might serve those who are only interested in a special topic for the moment, but in my opinion does not serve us well as a body of sailors. Yes, I've been called a dinosaur before, because I prefer to stay with things that work and the simpler the better. That is also why I sail a Montgomery. Larry Yake M17 CornDog On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 7:23 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > This sounds quick and easy, Dave. Thanks. > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai… > > > This > email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. > www.avast.com > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai… > > > <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 6:51 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Sage Marine can host the forum. No charge. The software is vbulletin. > > Have an Mboat section currently - > > > > > > > http://www.sagemarine.us/forum/forumdisplay.php?14-Montgomery-Dinks-15-17-a… > > > > I can add moderators to the Mboat section. Create new subforums (ie, for > > each boat type). The software will host photos and document attachments > > (videos are still best done on YouTube and linked to a post in the > forum). > > > > A moderator system would be good so if there is a problem with a > post/user > > a group can make decisions instead of an individual (I've done such a > thing > > with forums I've moderated for 10+ years). > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > >

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Re: M_Boats: forum or email
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 29 Jan '16

29 Jan '16

Go Dave ! my vote - No Yahoo - but who cares - (BTW I really don't care what FB or any other web based 'gang' finds out about my life EXCEPT my critical #'s - WGAF ?? ) In a message dated 1/28/2016 5:52:25 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, scoobscobie(a)gmail.com writes: Sage Marine can host the forum. No charge. The software is vbulletin. Have an Mboat section currently - http://www.sagemarine.us/forum/forumdisplay.php?14-Montgomery-Dinks-15-17-an d-23 I can add moderators to the Mboat section. Create new subforums (ie, for each boat type). The software will host photos and document attachments (videos are still best done on YouTube and linked to a post in the forum). A moderator system would be good so if there is a problem with a post/user a group can make decisions instead of an individual (I've done such a thing with forums I've moderated for 10+ years). :: Dave Scobie

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Where to post Pictures to the Group?
by Henry Rodriguez 29 Jan '16

29 Jan '16

Is it possible to post new pictures to the MSOG or MSOG PHOTO site? I have looked at, studied, and, in some cases, drooled over each existing picture many times. I would love to see updated pictures and some new/different projects. I know we can include pictures with posts on the TrailerSailor site (why not here?) but I would like to see some whole new albums like on MSOG. Henry -- Sent from Gmail Mobile on Windows 10 phone

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Mast Light through Hull...
by Jazzy 28 Jan '16

28 Jan '16

Hi all, I was wondering if you might share some pics regarding how your mast light gets to your power panel. I have a mastlight...and what appears to be it's wire in the mast, but I don't see a way it gets into the boat. Online I've seen various plastic fittings and the old drill and caulk method. Opinions and pics greatly appreciated! Jazz On Jan 22, 2016 10:54 AM, <swwheatley(a)comcast.net> wrote: > I have sailed my M17 with the lifting rudder (and the centerboard) all the > way up and have been pleasantly surprised. Sure, there is more sideslip, > you can't point as high and you have to reef sooner but, as long as you're > not racing, the fun-factor is pretty much the same. I worried that having > the tiller roughly 1 foot higher would feel awkward, but that was not the > case. The raised rudder/tiller do not interfere with the stock rig at all. > > The o.e. mahogany rudder that came with my boat was pretty beat up, so I > made a close copy out of marine plywood covered with fiberglass and epoxy. > I already had some experience shaping foils for a stitch-and-tape dinghy I > built so, for me, it was a pretty straightforward DIY project. > > Be aware that the lifting rudder can be a fussy arrangement. It doesn't > take much of a grounding to bend the rod. Once that happens, it becomes > very difficult, if not impossible, to put the rudder up or down. Plan on > fabricating two rods and carrying one as a spare. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:58:57 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Ida Rudder > > John, > I told Jazzy how to rig his slide up rudder since I had one on my first > Monty 17 back in '83. He has the slightly newer model of rudder which is > not balanced at all. Maybe Jerry can put you onto a source of his mahogany > rudders. Any of them can be made into a lifting rudder with a set of > gudgeons what will fit on the rudder since the first set of the two sets > necessary is already on the transom. I never sailed with the lifting rudder > partially up but unless you are racing all out I doubt the slight loss of > lateral resistance by raising the 10 inch wide rudder a few inches would be > noticeable. Then too with the rudder a few inches above normal sailing > setup might interfere with other elements of the rig. > Tom B > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai… > > > This > email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. > www.avast.com > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai… > > > <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 2:29 AM, John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > wrote: > > > Thanks Tom, > > This sounds totally doable as DIY. Someone just posted about how the > > up-down line works also. > > > > Would be great if someone has pictures of one of the original sliding-rod > > rudders though, for details. > > > > Also, since I have the early balanced rudder...I'd need a non-balanced > > blade to do this with. Same tiller should be fine, I assume? > > > > If anyone here has all or part of a slide-up for sale, including just the > > blade, let me know. > > > > I really like the design because a kick-up rudder becomes a lousy rudder > > helm-wise when kicked up even a little - out of balance, if one needs to > > still sail with it partly up. But the slider would seem to be way better > > with that - less effective the more it comes up, but at least still more > in > > balance. > > > > cheers, > > John S. > > > > On 01/21/2016 07:39 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: > > > >> As concerns your rudder, you already have gudgeons on your transom, look > >> for after market gudgeons that will mount on a rudder. Or have them > >> fabricated. Websites like Discount Steel or Metals Depot have stainless > >> steel rod for sale by the foot. Or you might have a local dealer. It > >> would be a simple matter of installing gudgeons both places and buying > >> three feet of ss rod to use as the pin. I had a "beaching rudder" on my > >> first Monty built in 74 and it was a very handy rig. Add the kickup > >> feature and you will have the best of all worlds. > >> Tom B > >> > >> ... > > -- > > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > > -------------------------------------------- > > - Eco-Living - > > Whole Systems Design Services > > People - Place - Learning - Integration > > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > > http://eco-living.net > > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > > >

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Re: M_Boats: forum or email
by Dave Scobie 28 Jan '16

28 Jan '16

the last time changing from the email system to a forum was discussed, about three or four years ago, it was resoundly 'voted down' by the group members. folks found forums to be difficult and/or not wanting to learn a new system. the other concern was loosing the email list members in the transition to a new location. currently there is - * email list (limited photo abilities and no ability to search old posts) * facebook page (lots of folks don't want facebook because of personal date being public and/or 'mined' by facebook) * trailersailor sub-forum (can post pictures, though photos are deleted after a few years) * MSOG - old info in www-pages and how one can join/remove self from email list. no updates to old info currently planned. * MSOGphoto - old info in www-pages. in process of being updated (yes, slowly) and will be available for user-submitted photos and m-boat project reports. future - * do we want to go to facebook? * do we want to go to a forum (i can host forum space and create a moderator system that i, as a builder, does control)? * yahoo group? * stay with what we have (see 'currently' above)? let us share opinions. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com

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