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An Introduction
by John 07 Aug '14

07 Aug '14

Hi All: After Larry Hughston’s kindly-worded post, perhaps it’s time I introduce myself. After buying an M12 and converting it to a tanbark gaff sloop (“Mojo”; Havasu vet ’12 & ’13) and buying a Gunter-rigged 1969 Potter 14 ("Hobbes"; Mexico vet with Paul Bear and his M17 Pequeña, Florida vet with Dan Phy and his restored 12’ Pelican, and the recent Cruiser Challenge, dead last but rescuing the capsized P15) I decided to buy Larry’s M15 “Old 189”. I’ve renamed her “At Last” (the Etta James song) for my wonderful girlfriend. My first outing later this month will be Puget Sound with Dan Phy and The Usual Suspects with many more to come. Lastly, a warm thanks to Monty sailing friends, old and new! Fair winds to all, John Chille M12 Mojo P14 Hobbes M15 At Last Ventura, CA PS: A friend spotted an M15 here at the launch ramp on Tuesday. If you know them I’d like to meet them.

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Congratulations John!
by nebwest2＠aol.com 07 Aug '14

07 Aug '14

You're gonna luv that boat! Have a great trip and blog it again so we can go along with ya! :-) Sean M23 "Dauntless" M17 " no name" Paradox "Scout" Sent from my HTC One on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 138, Issue 1
by ndorf＠surfbest.net 06 Aug '14

06 Aug '14

Jerry: I went out to a LWSC "Open House" at Lake Washington basin a few years ago and decided that the launch ramp there is just too sketchy (my personal opinion) to launch my m15 there. They do have a hoist, but it is rated at something like 700lbs max. With that said, it is very doable for the Potter 15 crowd to join in, but TwoCan is too heavy for the hoist and I ain't going anywhere near that ramp. Which leaves only one option: overnight on the boat and motor the 30 miles back the following day. All-in-all I have decided each year to pass on this one. Now, maybe in a Sage 15 someday...well, that might just be a whole different animal ;-) ------- Original Message ------- >From : montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com[mailto:montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com] Sent : 8/5/2014 8:25:02 PM To : montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Cc : Subject : RE: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 138, Issue 1 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: saltwater? (Dave Scobie) 2. Re: saltwater? (stevetrapp) 3. Re: saltwater? AIR BORN back in WA? (Dave Scobie) 4. 2004 Ser#624 (Thomas Budington) 5. Re: 2004 Ser#624 (Tom Stala) 6. Re: 2004 Ser#624 (Rich Makela) 7. Welcome (Thomas Buzzi) 8. Re: Welcome (Thomas Budington) 9. Barnacles (Conbert Benneck) 10. Re: Advice or help needed from San Francisco Bay areaMontgomery Sailors (Henry Rodriguez) 11. Re: Yamaha 4HP outboard (Dave Scobie) 12. Re: 2004 Ser#624 (Bill Wickett) 13. Oakland Estuary Ramps (David Grah) 14. Re: Advice or help needed from San Francisco Bay areaMontgomery Sailors (Dave Scobie) 15. Re: Advice or help needed from San Francisco BayareaMontgomery Sailors (Henry Rodriguez) 16. Sailhavasu - Feature Film of Last time- it's coming again.... (Nebwest2(a)aol.com) 17. Delta Ditch race (jerry montgomery) 18. Re: Delta Ditch race (GILASAILR(a)aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 13:47:23 -0600 Steve: My old M15 and the Sage 17 AIR BORN didn't/don't have antifouling bottom paint. neither spent/spend much time in saltwater. the longest my M15 spent was about 10 days. the longest for AIR BORN is 15 days. after this time both boats had slime on the bottom and AIR BORN had one, very small barnacle (hadn't stuck hard, flicked it off with my fingernail). the slime came off easily when taking the boat through a car wash (ie, the you use a power washer wand and 'foaming brush' kind). my M17, SWEET PEA, lived on a buoy in Quartermaster Harbor (Vashon Is.) for about 20 years. she has bottom paint. since i've owned SWEET PEA, she has lived on her trailer excluding times cruising (longest in-water time just over three weeks). if you were to keep a boat, any boat, in the PNW saltwater more than a couple of weeks you need to apply antifouling. it is also best if you apply a barrier coat to the boat before applying anitfouling, if the boat will be in water long-term (more than a couple of months barrier coat is to protect the bottom against blistering, yeah, bottom paint ain't cheap. i bet a M15 would need less than 2Q. a Sage 17 needs just over 2Q. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 12:05 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: > Dave, > I was surprised to read that you have sailed your M-17 on the waters of > Puget Sound. I moved to the South Puget Sound area two years ago and towed > my M-15 along after previously having had it on the fresh and cold water of > Lake Couer D' Alene in > Idaho. I heard admonishment from local boat owners about the damage the > waters of Puget Sound can cause, and upon discovering that hull paint runs > about $ 400 gallon, have taken the approach that scrubbing and rinsing with > fresh water would be a less expensive approach. Have seen your Sage 17 on > its trailer near waters of Puget Sound, but did not observe expensive hull > paint. What do you do regarding protecting your boat from saltwater? > Steve > M-15 # 335 > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:14:04 -0700 Dave, Thanx. Are you planning to tow Air Born to Olympia for Harbor Days at the end of August? There is a power washer at the boat yard at Swantown. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Steve: > > My old M15 and the Sage 17 AIR BORN didn't/don't have antifouling bottom > paint. neither spent/spend much time in saltwater. > > the longest my M15 spent was about 10 days. the longest for AIR BORN is > 15 > days. > > after this time both boats had slime on the bottom and AIR BORN had one, > very small barnacle (hadn't stuck hard, flicked it off with my > fingernail). the slime came off easily when taking the boat through a car > wash (ie, the you use a power washer wand and 'foaming brush' kind). > > my M17, SWEET PEA, lived on a buoy in Quartermaster Harbor (Vashon Is.) > for > about 20 years. she has bottom paint. since i've owned SWEET PEA, she > has > lived on her trailer excluding times cruising (longest in-water time just > over three weeks). > > if you were to keep a boat, any boat, in the PNW saltwater more than a > couple of weeks you need to apply antifouling. it is also best if you > apply a barrier coat to the boat before applying anitfouling, if the boat > will be in water long-term (more than a couple of months barrier coat is > to > protect the bottom against blistering, > > yeah, bottom paint ain't cheap. i bet a M15 would need less than 2Q. a > Sage 17 needs just over 2Q. > > > -- > :: Dave Scobie > :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 12:05 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: > >> Dave, >> I was surprised to read that you have sailed your M-17 on the waters >> of >> Puget Sound. I moved to the South Puget Sound area two years ago and >> towed >> my M-15 along after previously having had it on the fresh and cold water >> of >> Lake Couer D' Alene in >> Idaho. I heard admonishment from local boat owners about the damage the >> waters of Puget Sound can cause, and upon discovering that hull paint >> runs >> about $ 400 gallon, have taken the approach that scrubbing and rinsing >> with >> fresh water would be a less expensive approach. Have seen your Sage 17 >> on >> its trailer near waters of Puget Sound, but did not observe expensive >> hull >> paint. What do you do regarding protecting your boat from saltwater? >> Steve >> M-15 # 335 >> > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7955 - Release Date: 07/31/14 > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:11:34 -0600 Steve: i'll likely not be back to WA until July 2015. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 3:14 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: > Dave, > Thanx. Are you planning to tow Air Born to Olympia for Harbor Days at > the end of August? > There is a power washer at the boat yard at Swantown. > Steve > M-15 # 335 > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 10:14:42 -0700 Hi,? I own at 2004 17ft Montgomery and enjoy sail with my grandson on the Hudson River in NY. I read some of the blogs and find them helpful. Just wanted to intro myself, Tom ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 14:39:35 -0400 Hi Tom, my. My name is Tom and I also have aMontgomery 17 and sail out of Haverstraw. Where along the Hudson are you located? Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 1, 2014, at 1:14 PM, Thomas Budington via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > Hi, I own at 2004 17ft Montgomery and enjoy sail with my grandson on the Hudson River in NY. I read some of the blogs and find them helpful. > > Just wanted to intro myself, Tom ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:45:19 -0500 Tom, Welcome to the gang. Weather permitting, I plan to sail with my grandson this afternoon on Lake Calhoun in Minneapolis. Rich Makela M-17 #233 - Harmony -----Original Message----- Budington via montgomery_boats Hi,? I own at 2004 17ft Montgomery and enjoy sail with my grandson on the Hudson River in NY. I read some of the blogs and find them helpful. Just wanted to intro myself, Tom ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:59:14 -0500 Hello Tom, on the Hudson. I used to live and sail along the coast of Connecticut. Now I sail my M-17, or will soon, off Rockport, Tx. Today I am repairing some gelcoat and will wash and coat the hull with some substance called "NuGlass 2". This week I removed the aluminum rails from the hull to inspect the hull/deck joint. All looks fine and after treating the hull and painting the deck I will reinstall the soon to be repainted aluminum rails. Amazing the amount of dirt that collected beneath those during the last 38 years. Very satisfying to get it all cleaned out and their removal will greatly aid in my getting a good paint job done on the deck. I find puttering around on the boat almost as much fun as sailing in it. Retirement has given me the time to do so. Unfortunately my grandson lives about 1500 miles away. I would love to introduce him to sailing. Welcome aboard, Tom Buzzi, M17, #258, 1977 ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 12:22:26 -0700 Hi Tom, Yeah, "messing about in boats" is a worthy thing to do!? I hope you get to sail with your grandson, as we know time goes by so fast... Enjoy "messing about" and will be reading the blog. Tom Budington On Friday, August 1, 2014 3:01 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hello Tom, on the Hudson. I used to live and sail along the coast of Connecticut. Now I sail my M-17, or will soon, off Rockport, Tx. Today I am repairing some gelcoat and will wash and coat the hull with some substance called "NuGlass 2". This week I removed the aluminum rails from the hull to inspect the hull/deck joint. All looks fine and after treating the hull and painting the deck I will reinstall the soon to be repainted aluminum rails. Amazing the amount of dirt that collected beneath those during the last 38 years. Very satisfying to get it all cleaned out and their removal will greatly aid in my getting a good paint job done on the deck. I find puttering around on the boat almost as much fun as sailing in it. Retirement has given me the time to do so. Unfortunately my grandson lives about 1500 miles away. I would love to introduce him to sailing. Welcome aboard, Tom Buzzi, M17, #258, 1977 ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 15:19:37 -0500 Eons ago, we were heading for Europe, to sail our new Northeast 38 toy, that I had pretty much bought sight-unseen for $15K- fully equipped, in Denmark. The intent was to find out what sort of problems I had bought, fix them / or get them fixed, before planning to sail it back to the States the following year. Our T-L 29 was in the water her normal spot at Fort Rachel Marine at Mystic, CT, and I left our Dyer 7'-9" dinghy tied up alongside the mother ship while we were gone. The Dyer dink didn't have any anti-fouling paint on the bottom. We were gone for about two months. When we were back in Connecticut again, we headed to Mystic to go sailing. After bailing out all the rain water that had collected during our absence, I untied the dinghy, to moor it astern, it felt very sluggish. What gives? I hauled it up on the dock, and was dumbfounded to see the bottom of the dinghy totally covered with a thick layer of barnacles. They had found a new happy home during our absence, and had been fruitful and multiplied.... I spent the next several hours with a paint scraper, laboriously removing the barnacles - large and small - and making a large mess on the dock, before washing them back into the water, for the edification of the sea gulls and cormorants. I was so busy kicking myself for my stupidity, that I didn't think of weighing or measuring the volume of barnacles removed, but I assure you the whole bottom of the dinghy, every square inch of it, was totally cover with barnacles; some as big as a dime. A wild guess on my part would be about 30 lbs of barnacles that I removed. Let me assure you, the little crustaceans hold on the fiberglass bottom was extremely tenacious. My removal efforts were just a tad under using dynamite and blasting, and you could see the little round areas where each had firmly attached itself to the Dyer hull as they were chiseled away. My conclusion: If a boat is moving - as on a cruise - your chances of growing barnacles diminish. They like their quite undisturbed sex, such as I offered with the bottom of our dinghy. A moving boat makes it more difficult for them to attach themselves. Our T-L 29 had anti-fouling paint and we never had a problem with barnacles, other than on the propeller shaft or propeller blades themselves (that were unpainted). A few weeks cruising shouldn't present a barnacle problem, but beware if the boat just sits at a salt water Marina and doesn't move for weeks; and it doesn't have anti-fouling paint on the bottom. Then barnacles will cry "Whoopy, we've found a new home, let the sex orgy start" and you will have a big problem. The next time I was gone for a time, I left the dinghy overturned on the foredeck. One lesson learned was enough for me. Connie ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 17:57:47 -0500 "4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below)." By 'old' do you mean 2-stroke or 90s vintage 4-stroke? There is a 90s 4-stroke on my local Craigslist but I think it is a short shaft. -----Original Message----- i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17. never had issue with having 'enough power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget Sound, and the waters around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. sailing in these areas requires planning when you pass through channels and other areas that have strong tide caused current. the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not going to get her going much faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you put on the boat. (Jerry Montgomery has some interesting stories on what some folks have done/attempted.) 4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below). a 5HP is more than enough. i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the same motor as the 4HP (the 4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an external tank nor alternator option, these last two items are why folks have the 6HP). more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now sold as the 2.3HP) on the M17. this motor will move the boat just fine to about 4.5kts in light seas and winds. the 31 pound 2HP is another reason. a lot less weight to carry around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard. i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17 and they cruise the same areas i do in the PNW. the only limitations with the Yamaha are the lack of an external tank and the motor is only available in a short shaft. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > From: Richard Conn <connmanr(a)hotmail.com> > > Hi, > I'm selling my on-the-water town house in Pittsburg, and giving my 2001 > Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. It's about time, I turned 88 > last month. I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and around the Delta, > during those 14 years, but never further west. Because my dock was right > behind the house I never had a trailer. > When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I would sail her up to > whatever slip space he gets on the Island. Now I'm wondering. Is that a > reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? Have any of you done it, > and how long did it take. > I'm anxious for your input. If you all think sailing Beatrice would be > crazy, is there anybody out there who would consider renting me a trailer > for a weekend. If so, it would be towed by my son who's 38 years my junior, > Thanks for listening and kind regards, > Richard Conn > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 17:41:03 -0600 Henry: i'm referring to the 'true' 4-stroke 4HP motor Yamaha made until 2010/2011. i almost bought one in summer 2010 ... wish i had! -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was > perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see > below)." > > By 'old' do you mean 2-stroke or 90s vintage 4-stroke? There is a 90s > 4-stroke on my local Craigslist but I think it is a short shaft. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Sent: ?7/?31/?2014 10:42 AM > > > i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17. never had issue with having 'enough > power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget Sound, and the waters > around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. sailing in these areas > requires planning when you pass through channels and other areas that have > strong tide caused current. > > the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not going to get her going much > faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you put on the boat. (Jerry > Montgomery has some interesting stories on what some folks have > done/attempted.) > > 4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was > perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see > below). > > a 5HP is more than enough. > > i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the same motor as the 4HP (the > 4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an external tank nor alternator > option, these last two items are why folks have the 6HP). > > more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now sold as the 2.3HP) on the > M17. this motor will move the boat just fine to about 4.5kts in light seas > and winds. the 31 pound 2HP is another reason. a lot less weight to carry > around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard. > > i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17 and they cruise the same > areas i do in the PNW. the only limitations with the Yamaha are the lack > of an external tank and the motor is only available in a short shaft. > > > -- > :: Dave Scobie > :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > > > > > From: Richard Conn <connmanr(a)hotmail.com> > > > > > Hi, > > I'm selling my on-the-water town house in Pittsburg, and giving my 2001 > > Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. It's about time, I turned > 88 > > last month. I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and around the Delta, > > during those 14 years, but never further west. Because my dock was right > > behind the house I never had a trailer. > > When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I would sail her up to > > whatever slip space he gets on the Island. Now I'm wondering. Is that a > > reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? Have any of you done > it, > > and how long did it take. > > I'm anxious for your input. If you all think sailing Beatrice would be > > crazy, is there anybody out there who would consider renting me a trailer > > for a weekend. If so, it would be towed by my son who's 38 years my > junior, > > Thanks for listening and kind regards, > > Richard Conn > > > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 19:59:11 -0400 Hi Tom. Welcome to the list. We are sailing the north shore of Lake Ontario this week. Leaving from Grimsby Ontario. Bill > On Aug 1, 2014, at 1:14 PM, Thomas Budington via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > Hi, I own at 2004 17ft Montgomery and enjoy sail with my grandson on the Hudson River in NY. I read some of the blogs and find them helpful. > > Just wanted to intro myself, Tom ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 11:52:34 -0700 In a few weeks we're taking our Montgomery 15 to the Delta and to San Francisco Bay for a couple of overnight outings. I grew up sailing out of Berkeley, and have sailed our Montgomery out of Berkeley before. Sailing out the Oakland Estuary sounds like a fun change. The thing is I am not familiar with the ramps in the Oakland Estuary nor their advantages and disadvantages, especially when planning to park a vehicle and trailer overnight. Maybe the parking at some ramps gets full sometimes too. Would anyone familiar with ramps in the Oakland Estuary be so kind as to share their thoughts? Thanks! David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 - Sky ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 15:53:34 -0600 Henry. Received your Craigslist email. Motor does look like a short shaft. Hey short shaft outboard can be a challenge on an M 17 as it will cavitate in even a slight sea. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Aug 1, 2014 4:58 PM, "Henry Rodriguez" <heinzir(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was > perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see > below)." > > By 'old' do you mean 2-stroke or 90s vintage 4-stroke? There is a 90s > 4-stroke on my local Craigslist but I think it is a short shaft. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Sent: ?7/?31/?2014 10:42 AM > To: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb(a)blumhorst.com>; "For and about > Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice or help needed from San Francisco Bay > areaMontgomery Sailors > > i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17. never had issue with having 'enough > power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget Sound, and the waters > around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. sailing in these areas > requires planning when you pass through channels and other areas that have > strong tide caused current. > > the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not going to get her going much > faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you put on the boat. (Jerry > Montgomery has some interesting stories on what some folks have > done/attempted.) > > 4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was > perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see > below). > > a 5HP is more than enough. > > i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the same motor as the 4HP (the > 4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an external tank nor alternator > option, these last two items are why folks have the 6HP). > > more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now sold as the 2.3HP) on the > M17. this motor will move the boat just fine to about 4.5kts in light seas > and winds. the 31 pound 2HP is another reason. a lot less weight to carry > around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard. > > i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17 and they cruise the same > areas i do in the PNW. the only limitations with the Yamaha are the lack > of an external tank and the motor is only available in a short shaft. > > > -- > :: Dave Scobie > :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > > > > > From: Richard Conn <connmanr(a)hotmail.com> > > > > > Hi, > > I'm selling my on-the-water town house in Pittsburg, and giving my 2001 > > Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. It's about time, I turned > 88 > > last month. I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and around the Delta, > > during those 14 years, but never further west. Because my dock was right > > behind the house I never had a trailer. > > When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I would sail her up to > > whatever slip space he gets on the Island. Now I'm wondering. Is that a > > reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? Have any of you done > it, > > and how long did it take. > > I'm anxious for your input. If you all think sailing Beatrice would be > > crazy, is there anybody out there who would consider renting me a trailer > > for a weekend. If so, it would be towed by my son who's 38 years my > junior, > > Thanks for listening and kind regards, > > Richard Conn > > > ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 22:46:39 -0500 Ok, thanks! -----Original Message----- Henry. Received your Craigslist email. Motor does look like a short shaft. Hey short shaft outboard can be a challenge on an M 17 as it will cavitate in even a slight sea. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Aug 1, 2014 4:58 PM, "Henry Rodriguez" <heinzir(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was > perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see > below)." > > By 'old' do you mean 2-stroke or 90s vintage 4-stroke? There is a 90s > 4-stroke on my local Craigslist but I think it is a short shaft. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Sent: ?7/?31/?2014 10:42 AM > To: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb(a)blumhorst.com>; "For and about > Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice or help needed from San Francisco Bay > areaMontgomery Sailors > > i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17. never had issue with having 'enough > power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget Sound, and the waters > around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. sailing in these areas > requires planning when you pass through channels and other areas that have > strong tide caused current. > > the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not going to get her going much > faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you put on the boat. (Jerry > Montgomery has some interesting stories on what some folks have > done/attempted.) > > 4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was > perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see > below). > > a 5HP is more than enough. > > i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the same motor as the 4HP (the > 4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an external tank nor alternator > option, these last two items are why folks have the 6HP). > > more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now sold as the 2.3HP) on the > M17. this motor will move the boat just fine to about 4.5kts in light seas > and winds. the 31 pound 2HP is another reason. a lot less weight to carry > around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard. > > i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17 and they cruise the same > areas i do in the PNW. the only limitations with the Yamaha are the lack > of an external tank and the motor is only available in a short shaft. > > > -- > :: Dave Scobie > :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > > > > > From: Richard Conn <connmanr(a)hotmail.com> > > > > > Hi, > > I'm selling my on-the-water town house in Pittsburg, and giving my 2001 > > Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. It's about time, I turned > 88 > > last month. I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and around the Delta, > > during those 14 years, but never further west. Because my dock was right > > behind the house I never had a trailer. > > When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I would sail her up to > > whatever slip space he gets on the Island. Now I'm wondering. Is that a > > reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? Have any of you done > it, > > and how long did it take. > > I'm anxious for your input. If you all think sailing Beatrice would be > > crazy, is there anybody out there who would consider renting me a trailer > > for a weekend. If so, it would be towed by my son who's 38 years my > junior, > > Thanks for listening and kind regards, > > Richard Conn > > > ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 01:09:27 -0400 are you??? Sure Hope So!! Monty Drivers Wanted!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJRRu1unI18 Website updated with new information soon, but plan on this February!!! www.sailhavasu.com ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 15:52:04 -0700 To Sacramento sailors- I just entered my Sage in the Delta Ditch race, put on by the Lake Washington Sailing Club, which is an annual race held this Sat, starting at Rio Vista and ending at Lake Washington in W Sacatomatoes. I heard about it by snooping on the Potter forum; lots of Potters entered. The race is 30 mi down the deep water channel and appears to be downwind all the way. Neil? Anyone? Sounds like a long but easy race to me. You can find it at the Lake Wash site or at the Potter section of the Trailer Sailor forum. jerry ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 20:24:36 -0400 (EDT) I'd be all over that one - but they have my name on a list in Sacto after that visit last month ..something about wildcats or...... Get yourself a good spinn trimmer and ROMP that one ! ! Go gettum ! GO In a message dated 8/5/2014 3:52:26 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org writes: To Sacramento sailors- I just entered my Sage in the Delta Ditch race, put on by the Lake Washington Sailing Club, which is an annual race held this Sat, starting at Rio Vista and ending at Lake Washington in W Sacatomatoes. I heard about it by snooping on the Potter forum; lots of Potters entered. The race is 30 mi down the deep water channel and appears to be downwind all the way. Neil? Anyone? Sounds like a long but easy race to me. You can find it at the Lake Wash site or at the Potter section of the Trailer Sailor forum. jerry ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 138, Issue 1 ************************************************

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How to repair or replace an M17 keel winch?
by Tyler Heerwagen 06 Aug '14

06 Aug '14

Hello, I figured some of you may have experience with this, per attached dropbox photos, my keel winch is coming apart and either needs to be repaired or replaced. Does anyone have any recommendations for a replacement winch or repair methods? I can jam it back together, and it will work somewhat, but it is now apparently missing some thing that holds the two halves of the winch body together. Thanks for any advice offered. Tyler Heerwagen Palo Alto, CA Seranita 1977 M17 #232 Winch troubles Winch troubles Shared with Dropbox View on www.dropbox.com Preview by Yahoo

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Delta Ditch race
by jerry montgomery 05 Aug '14

05 Aug '14

To Sacramento sailors- I just entered my Sage in the Delta Ditch race, put on by the Lake Washington Sailing Club, which is an annual race held this Sat, starting at Rio Vista and ending at Lake Washington in W Sacatomatoes. I heard about it by snooping on the Potter forum; lots of Potters entered. The race is 30 mi down the deep water channel and appears to be downwind all the way. Neil? Anyone? Sounds like a long but easy race to me. You can find it at the Lake Wash site or at the Potter section of the Trailer Sailor forum. jerry

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 138, Issue 1
by ndorf＠surfbest.net 05 Aug '14

05 Aug '14

Northern California sail: Humboldt Bay TwoCan will be sailing out of Eureka over Labor Day weekend, along with some local Sacto area Potter Yachter friends coming with a Potter 19 We will be arriving Saturday (avoiding the Friday Bay Area exodus) and staying through Tuesday morning (again avoiding the driving on Labor Day). We'll be getting a slip at Eureka Public Marina. Not a race; just an opportunity to mess about a beautiful area with steady breezes for a couple of days. Anyone fellow Monty or Sage owners want to rendezvous, feel free to chime in. -Neil ------- Original Message ------- >From : montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com[mailto:montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com] Sent : 8/5/2014 8:25:02 PM To : montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Cc : Subject : RE: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 138, Issue 1 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: saltwater? (Dave Scobie) 2. Re: saltwater? (stevetrapp) 3. Re: saltwater? AIR BORN back in WA? (Dave Scobie) 4. 2004 Ser#624 (Thomas Budington) 5. Re: 2004 Ser#624 (Tom Stala) 6. Re: 2004 Ser#624 (Rich Makela) 7. Welcome (Thomas Buzzi) 8. Re: Welcome (Thomas Budington) 9. Barnacles (Conbert Benneck) 10. Re: Advice or help needed from San Francisco Bay areaMontgomery Sailors (Henry Rodriguez) 11. Re: Yamaha 4HP outboard (Dave Scobie) 12. Re: 2004 Ser#624 (Bill Wickett) 13. Oakland Estuary Ramps (David Grah) 14. Re: Advice or help needed from San Francisco Bay areaMontgomery Sailors (Dave Scobie) 15. Re: Advice or help needed from San Francisco BayareaMontgomery Sailors (Henry Rodriguez) 16. Sailhavasu - Feature Film of Last time- it's coming again.... (Nebwest2(a)aol.com) 17. Delta Ditch race (jerry montgomery) 18. Re: Delta Ditch race (GILASAILR(a)aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 13:47:23 -0600 Steve: My old M15 and the Sage 17 AIR BORN didn't/don't have antifouling bottom paint. neither spent/spend much time in saltwater. the longest my M15 spent was about 10 days. the longest for AIR BORN is 15 days. after this time both boats had slime on the bottom and AIR BORN had one, very small barnacle (hadn't stuck hard, flicked it off with my fingernail). the slime came off easily when taking the boat through a car wash (ie, the you use a power washer wand and 'foaming brush' kind). my M17, SWEET PEA, lived on a buoy in Quartermaster Harbor (Vashon Is.) for about 20 years. she has bottom paint. since i've owned SWEET PEA, she has lived on her trailer excluding times cruising (longest in-water time just over three weeks). if you were to keep a boat, any boat, in the PNW saltwater more than a couple of weeks you need to apply antifouling. it is also best if you apply a barrier coat to the boat before applying anitfouling, if the boat will be in water long-term (more than a couple of months barrier coat is to protect the bottom against blistering, yeah, bottom paint ain't cheap. i bet a M15 would need less than 2Q. a Sage 17 needs just over 2Q. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 12:05 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: > Dave, > I was surprised to read that you have sailed your M-17 on the waters of > Puget Sound. I moved to the South Puget Sound area two years ago and towed > my M-15 along after previously having had it on the fresh and cold water of > Lake Couer D' Alene in > Idaho. I heard admonishment from local boat owners about the damage the > waters of Puget Sound can cause, and upon discovering that hull paint runs > about $ 400 gallon, have taken the approach that scrubbing and rinsing with > fresh water would be a less expensive approach. Have seen your Sage 17 on > its trailer near waters of Puget Sound, but did not observe expensive hull > paint. What do you do regarding protecting your boat from saltwater? > Steve > M-15 # 335 > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:14:04 -0700 Dave, Thanx. Are you planning to tow Air Born to Olympia for Harbor Days at the end of August? There is a power washer at the boat yard at Swantown. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Steve: > > My old M15 and the Sage 17 AIR BORN didn't/don't have antifouling bottom > paint. neither spent/spend much time in saltwater. > > the longest my M15 spent was about 10 days. the longest for AIR BORN is > 15 > days. > > after this time both boats had slime on the bottom and AIR BORN had one, > very small barnacle (hadn't stuck hard, flicked it off with my > fingernail). the slime came off easily when taking the boat through a car > wash (ie, the you use a power washer wand and 'foaming brush' kind). > > my M17, SWEET PEA, lived on a buoy in Quartermaster Harbor (Vashon Is.) > for > about 20 years. she has bottom paint. since i've owned SWEET PEA, she > has > lived on her trailer excluding times cruising (longest in-water time just > over three weeks). > > if you were to keep a boat, any boat, in the PNW saltwater more than a > couple of weeks you need to apply antifouling. it is also best if you > apply a barrier coat to the boat before applying anitfouling, if the boat > will be in water long-term (more than a couple of months barrier coat is > to > protect the bottom against blistering, > > yeah, bottom paint ain't cheap. i bet a M15 would need less than 2Q. a > Sage 17 needs just over 2Q. > > > -- > :: Dave Scobie > :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 12:05 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: > >> Dave, >> I was surprised to read that you have sailed your M-17 on the waters >> of >> Puget Sound. I moved to the South Puget Sound area two years ago and >> towed >> my M-15 along after previously having had it on the fresh and cold water >> of >> Lake Couer D' Alene in >> Idaho. I heard admonishment from local boat owners about the damage the >> waters of Puget Sound can cause, and upon discovering that hull paint >> runs >> about $ 400 gallon, have taken the approach that scrubbing and rinsing >> with >> fresh water would be a less expensive approach. Have seen your Sage 17 >> on >> its trailer near waters of Puget Sound, but did not observe expensive >> hull >> paint. What do you do regarding protecting your boat from saltwater? >> Steve >> M-15 # 335 >> > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7955 - Release Date: 07/31/14 > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:11:34 -0600 Steve: i'll likely not be back to WA until July 2015. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 3:14 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: > Dave, > Thanx. Are you planning to tow Air Born to Olympia for Harbor Days at > the end of August? > There is a power washer at the boat yard at Swantown. > Steve > M-15 # 335 > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 10:14:42 -0700 Hi,? I own at 2004 17ft Montgomery and enjoy sail with my grandson on the Hudson River in NY. I read some of the blogs and find them helpful. Just wanted to intro myself, Tom ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 14:39:35 -0400 Hi Tom, my. My name is Tom and I also have aMontgomery 17 and sail out of Haverstraw. Where along the Hudson are you located? Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 1, 2014, at 1:14 PM, Thomas Budington via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > Hi, I own at 2004 17ft Montgomery and enjoy sail with my grandson on the Hudson River in NY. I read some of the blogs and find them helpful. > > Just wanted to intro myself, Tom ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:45:19 -0500 Tom, Welcome to the gang. Weather permitting, I plan to sail with my grandson this afternoon on Lake Calhoun in Minneapolis. Rich Makela M-17 #233 - Harmony -----Original Message----- Budington via montgomery_boats Hi,? I own at 2004 17ft Montgomery and enjoy sail with my grandson on the Hudson River in NY. I read some of the blogs and find them helpful. Just wanted to intro myself, Tom ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:59:14 -0500 Hello Tom, on the Hudson. I used to live and sail along the coast of Connecticut. Now I sail my M-17, or will soon, off Rockport, Tx. Today I am repairing some gelcoat and will wash and coat the hull with some substance called "NuGlass 2". This week I removed the aluminum rails from the hull to inspect the hull/deck joint. All looks fine and after treating the hull and painting the deck I will reinstall the soon to be repainted aluminum rails. Amazing the amount of dirt that collected beneath those during the last 38 years. Very satisfying to get it all cleaned out and their removal will greatly aid in my getting a good paint job done on the deck. I find puttering around on the boat almost as much fun as sailing in it. Retirement has given me the time to do so. Unfortunately my grandson lives about 1500 miles away. I would love to introduce him to sailing. Welcome aboard, Tom Buzzi, M17, #258, 1977 ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 12:22:26 -0700 Hi Tom, Yeah, "messing about in boats" is a worthy thing to do!? I hope you get to sail with your grandson, as we know time goes by so fast... Enjoy "messing about" and will be reading the blog. Tom Budington On Friday, August 1, 2014 3:01 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hello Tom, on the Hudson. I used to live and sail along the coast of Connecticut. Now I sail my M-17, or will soon, off Rockport, Tx. Today I am repairing some gelcoat and will wash and coat the hull with some substance called "NuGlass 2". This week I removed the aluminum rails from the hull to inspect the hull/deck joint. All looks fine and after treating the hull and painting the deck I will reinstall the soon to be repainted aluminum rails. Amazing the amount of dirt that collected beneath those during the last 38 years. Very satisfying to get it all cleaned out and their removal will greatly aid in my getting a good paint job done on the deck. I find puttering around on the boat almost as much fun as sailing in it. Retirement has given me the time to do so. Unfortunately my grandson lives about 1500 miles away. I would love to introduce him to sailing. Welcome aboard, Tom Buzzi, M17, #258, 1977 ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 15:19:37 -0500 Eons ago, we were heading for Europe, to sail our new Northeast 38 toy, that I had pretty much bought sight-unseen for $15K- fully equipped, in Denmark. The intent was to find out what sort of problems I had bought, fix them / or get them fixed, before planning to sail it back to the States the following year. Our T-L 29 was in the water her normal spot at Fort Rachel Marine at Mystic, CT, and I left our Dyer 7'-9" dinghy tied up alongside the mother ship while we were gone. The Dyer dink didn't have any anti-fouling paint on the bottom. We were gone for about two months. When we were back in Connecticut again, we headed to Mystic to go sailing. After bailing out all the rain water that had collected during our absence, I untied the dinghy, to moor it astern, it felt very sluggish. What gives? I hauled it up on the dock, and was dumbfounded to see the bottom of the dinghy totally covered with a thick layer of barnacles. They had found a new happy home during our absence, and had been fruitful and multiplied.... I spent the next several hours with a paint scraper, laboriously removing the barnacles - large and small - and making a large mess on the dock, before washing them back into the water, for the edification of the sea gulls and cormorants. I was so busy kicking myself for my stupidity, that I didn't think of weighing or measuring the volume of barnacles removed, but I assure you the whole bottom of the dinghy, every square inch of it, was totally cover with barnacles; some as big as a dime. A wild guess on my part would be about 30 lbs of barnacles that I removed. Let me assure you, the little crustaceans hold on the fiberglass bottom was extremely tenacious. My removal efforts were just a tad under using dynamite and blasting, and you could see the little round areas where each had firmly attached itself to the Dyer hull as they were chiseled away. My conclusion: If a boat is moving - as on a cruise - your chances of growing barnacles diminish. They like their quite undisturbed sex, such as I offered with the bottom of our dinghy. A moving boat makes it more difficult for them to attach themselves. Our T-L 29 had anti-fouling paint and we never had a problem with barnacles, other than on the propeller shaft or propeller blades themselves (that were unpainted). A few weeks cruising shouldn't present a barnacle problem, but beware if the boat just sits at a salt water Marina and doesn't move for weeks; and it doesn't have anti-fouling paint on the bottom. Then barnacles will cry "Whoopy, we've found a new home, let the sex orgy start" and you will have a big problem. The next time I was gone for a time, I left the dinghy overturned on the foredeck. One lesson learned was enough for me. Connie ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 17:57:47 -0500 "4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below)." By 'old' do you mean 2-stroke or 90s vintage 4-stroke? There is a 90s 4-stroke on my local Craigslist but I think it is a short shaft. -----Original Message----- i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17. never had issue with having 'enough power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget Sound, and the waters around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. sailing in these areas requires planning when you pass through channels and other areas that have strong tide caused current. the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not going to get her going much faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you put on the boat. (Jerry Montgomery has some interesting stories on what some folks have done/attempted.) 4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below). a 5HP is more than enough. i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the same motor as the 4HP (the 4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an external tank nor alternator option, these last two items are why folks have the 6HP). more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now sold as the 2.3HP) on the M17. this motor will move the boat just fine to about 4.5kts in light seas and winds. the 31 pound 2HP is another reason. a lot less weight to carry around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard. i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17 and they cruise the same areas i do in the PNW. the only limitations with the Yamaha are the lack of an external tank and the motor is only available in a short shaft. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > From: Richard Conn <connmanr(a)hotmail.com> > > Hi, > I'm selling my on-the-water town house in Pittsburg, and giving my 2001 > Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. It's about time, I turned 88 > last month. I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and around the Delta, > during those 14 years, but never further west. Because my dock was right > behind the house I never had a trailer. > When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I would sail her up to > whatever slip space he gets on the Island. Now I'm wondering. Is that a > reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? Have any of you done it, > and how long did it take. > I'm anxious for your input. If you all think sailing Beatrice would be > crazy, is there anybody out there who would consider renting me a trailer > for a weekend. If so, it would be towed by my son who's 38 years my junior, > Thanks for listening and kind regards, > Richard Conn > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 17:41:03 -0600 Henry: i'm referring to the 'true' 4-stroke 4HP motor Yamaha made until 2010/2011. i almost bought one in summer 2010 ... wish i had! -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was > perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see > below)." > > By 'old' do you mean 2-stroke or 90s vintage 4-stroke? There is a 90s > 4-stroke on my local Craigslist but I think it is a short shaft. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Sent: ?7/?31/?2014 10:42 AM > > > i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17. never had issue with having 'enough > power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget Sound, and the waters > around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. sailing in these areas > requires planning when you pass through channels and other areas that have > strong tide caused current. > > the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not going to get her going much > faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you put on the boat. (Jerry > Montgomery has some interesting stories on what some folks have > done/attempted.) > > 4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was > perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see > below). > > a 5HP is more than enough. > > i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the same motor as the 4HP (the > 4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an external tank nor alternator > option, these last two items are why folks have the 6HP). > > more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now sold as the 2.3HP) on the > M17. this motor will move the boat just fine to about 4.5kts in light seas > and winds. the 31 pound 2HP is another reason. a lot less weight to carry > around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard. > > i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17 and they cruise the same > areas i do in the PNW. the only limitations with the Yamaha are the lack > of an external tank and the motor is only available in a short shaft. > > > -- > :: Dave Scobie > :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > > > > > From: Richard Conn <connmanr(a)hotmail.com> > > > > > Hi, > > I'm selling my on-the-water town house in Pittsburg, and giving my 2001 > > Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. It's about time, I turned > 88 > > last month. I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and around the Delta, > > during those 14 years, but never further west. Because my dock was right > > behind the house I never had a trailer. > > When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I would sail her up to > > whatever slip space he gets on the Island. Now I'm wondering. Is that a > > reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? Have any of you done > it, > > and how long did it take. > > I'm anxious for your input. If you all think sailing Beatrice would be > > crazy, is there anybody out there who would consider renting me a trailer > > for a weekend. If so, it would be towed by my son who's 38 years my > junior, > > Thanks for listening and kind regards, > > Richard Conn > > > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 19:59:11 -0400 Hi Tom. Welcome to the list. We are sailing the north shore of Lake Ontario this week. Leaving from Grimsby Ontario. Bill > On Aug 1, 2014, at 1:14 PM, Thomas Budington via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > Hi, I own at 2004 17ft Montgomery and enjoy sail with my grandson on the Hudson River in NY. I read some of the blogs and find them helpful. > > Just wanted to intro myself, Tom ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 11:52:34 -0700 In a few weeks we're taking our Montgomery 15 to the Delta and to San Francisco Bay for a couple of overnight outings. I grew up sailing out of Berkeley, and have sailed our Montgomery out of Berkeley before. Sailing out the Oakland Estuary sounds like a fun change. The thing is I am not familiar with the ramps in the Oakland Estuary nor their advantages and disadvantages, especially when planning to park a vehicle and trailer overnight. Maybe the parking at some ramps gets full sometimes too. Would anyone familiar with ramps in the Oakland Estuary be so kind as to share their thoughts? Thanks! David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 - Sky ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 15:53:34 -0600 Henry. Received your Craigslist email. Motor does look like a short shaft. Hey short shaft outboard can be a challenge on an M 17 as it will cavitate in even a slight sea. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Aug 1, 2014 4:58 PM, "Henry Rodriguez" <heinzir(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was > perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see > below)." > > By 'old' do you mean 2-stroke or 90s vintage 4-stroke? There is a 90s > 4-stroke on my local Craigslist but I think it is a short shaft. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Sent: ?7/?31/?2014 10:42 AM > To: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb(a)blumhorst.com>; "For and about > Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice or help needed from San Francisco Bay > areaMontgomery Sailors > > i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17. never had issue with having 'enough > power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget Sound, and the waters > around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. sailing in these areas > requires planning when you pass through channels and other areas that have > strong tide caused current. > > the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not going to get her going much > faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you put on the boat. (Jerry > Montgomery has some interesting stories on what some folks have > done/attempted.) > > 4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was > perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see > below). > > a 5HP is more than enough. > > i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the same motor as the 4HP (the > 4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an external tank nor alternator > option, these last two items are why folks have the 6HP). > > more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now sold as the 2.3HP) on the > M17. this motor will move the boat just fine to about 4.5kts in light seas > and winds. the 31 pound 2HP is another reason. a lot less weight to carry > around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard. > > i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17 and they cruise the same > areas i do in the PNW. the only limitations with the Yamaha are the lack > of an external tank and the motor is only available in a short shaft. > > > -- > :: Dave Scobie > :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > > > > > From: Richard Conn <connmanr(a)hotmail.com> > > > > > Hi, > > I'm selling my on-the-water town house in Pittsburg, and giving my 2001 > > Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. It's about time, I turned > 88 > > last month. I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and around the Delta, > > during those 14 years, but never further west. Because my dock was right > > behind the house I never had a trailer. > > When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I would sail her up to > > whatever slip space he gets on the Island. Now I'm wondering. Is that a > > reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? Have any of you done > it, > > and how long did it take. > > I'm anxious for your input. If you all think sailing Beatrice would be > > crazy, is there anybody out there who would consider renting me a trailer > > for a weekend. If so, it would be towed by my son who's 38 years my > junior, > > Thanks for listening and kind regards, > > Richard Conn > > > ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 22:46:39 -0500 Ok, thanks! -----Original Message----- Henry. Received your Craigslist email. Motor does look like a short shaft. Hey short shaft outboard can be a challenge on an M 17 as it will cavitate in even a slight sea. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Aug 1, 2014 4:58 PM, "Henry Rodriguez" <heinzir(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was > perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see > below)." > > By 'old' do you mean 2-stroke or 90s vintage 4-stroke? There is a 90s > 4-stroke on my local Craigslist but I think it is a short shaft. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Sent: ?7/?31/?2014 10:42 AM > To: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb(a)blumhorst.com>; "For and about > Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice or help needed from San Francisco Bay > areaMontgomery Sailors > > i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17. never had issue with having 'enough > power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget Sound, and the waters > around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. sailing in these areas > requires planning when you pass through channels and other areas that have > strong tide caused current. > > the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not going to get her going much > faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you put on the boat. (Jerry > Montgomery has some interesting stories on what some folks have > done/attempted.) > > 4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was > perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see > below). > > a 5HP is more than enough. > > i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the same motor as the 4HP (the > 4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an external tank nor alternator > option, these last two items are why folks have the 6HP). > > more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now sold as the 2.3HP) on the > M17. this motor will move the boat just fine to about 4.5kts in light seas > and winds. the 31 pound 2HP is another reason. a lot less weight to carry > around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard. > > i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17 and they cruise the same > areas i do in the PNW. the only limitations with the Yamaha are the lack > of an external tank and the motor is only available in a short shaft. > > > -- > :: Dave Scobie > :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > > > > > From: Richard Conn <connmanr(a)hotmail.com> > > > > > Hi, > > I'm selling my on-the-water town house in Pittsburg, and giving my 2001 > > Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. It's about time, I turned > 88 > > last month. I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and around the Delta, > > during those 14 years, but never further west. Because my dock was right > > behind the house I never had a trailer. > > When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I would sail her up to > > whatever slip space he gets on the Island. Now I'm wondering. Is that a > > reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? Have any of you done > it, > > and how long did it take. > > I'm anxious for your input. If you all think sailing Beatrice would be > > crazy, is there anybody out there who would consider renting me a trailer > > for a weekend. If so, it would be towed by my son who's 38 years my > junior, > > Thanks for listening and kind regards, > > Richard Conn > > > ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 01:09:27 -0400 are you??? Sure Hope So!! Monty Drivers Wanted!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJRRu1unI18 Website updated with new information soon, but plan on this February!!! www.sailhavasu.com ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 15:52:04 -0700 To Sacramento sailors- I just entered my Sage in the Delta Ditch race, put on by the Lake Washington Sailing Club, which is an annual race held this Sat, starting at Rio Vista and ending at Lake Washington in W Sacatomatoes. I heard about it by snooping on the Potter forum; lots of Potters entered. The race is 30 mi down the deep water channel and appears to be downwind all the way. Neil? Anyone? Sounds like a long but easy race to me. You can find it at the Lake Wash site or at the Potter section of the Trailer Sailor forum. jerry ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 20:24:36 -0400 (EDT) I'd be all over that one - but they have my name on a list in Sacto after that visit last month ..something about wildcats or...... Get yourself a good spinn trimmer and ROMP that one ! ! Go gettum ! GO In a message dated 8/5/2014 3:52:26 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org writes: To Sacramento sailors- I just entered my Sage in the Delta Ditch race, put on by the Lake Washington Sailing Club, which is an annual race held this Sat, starting at Rio Vista and ending at Lake Washington in W Sacatomatoes. I heard about it by snooping on the Potter forum; lots of Potters entered. The race is 30 mi down the deep water channel and appears to be downwind all the way. Neil? Anyone? Sounds like a long but easy race to me. You can find it at the Lake Wash site or at the Potter section of the Trailer Sailor forum. jerry ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 138, Issue 1 ************************************************

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Re: M_Boats: Delta Ditch race
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 05 Aug '14

05 Aug '14

I'd be all over that one - but they have my name on a list in Sacto after that visit last month ..something about wildcats or...... Get yourself a good spinn trimmer and ROMP that one ! ! Go gettum ! GO In a message dated 8/5/2014 3:52:26 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org writes: To Sacramento sailors- I just entered my Sage in the Delta Ditch race, put on by the Lake Washington Sailing Club, which is an annual race held this Sat, starting at Rio Vista and ending at Lake Washington in W Sacatomatoes. I heard about it by snooping on the Potter forum; lots of Potters entered. The race is 30 mi down the deep water channel and appears to be downwind all the way. Neil? Anyone? Sounds like a long but easy race to me. You can find it at the Lake Wash site or at the Potter section of the Trailer Sailor forum. jerry

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Sailhavasu - Feature Film of Last time- it's coming again....
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 04 Aug '14

04 Aug '14

are you??? Sure Hope So!! Monty Drivers Wanted!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJRRu1unI18 Website updated with new information soon, but plan on this February!!! www.sailhavasu.com

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Advice or help needed from San Francisco Bay area Montgomery Sailors
by Richard Conn 03 Aug '14

03 Aug '14

Hi, I'm selling my on-the-water town house in Pittsburg, and giving my 2001 Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. It's about time, I turned 88 last month. I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and around the Delta, during those 14 years, but never further west. Because my dock was right behind the house I never had a trailer. When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I would sail her up to whatever slip space he gets on the Island. Now I'm wondering. Is that a reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? Have any of you done it, and how long did it take. I'm anxious for your input. If you all think sailing Beatrice would be crazy, is there anybody out there who would consider renting me a trailer for a weekend. If so, it would be towed by my son who's 38 years my junior, Thanks for listening and kind regards, Richard Conn

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2004 Ser#624
by Thomas Budington 01 Aug '14

01 Aug '14

Hi, I own at 2004 17ft Montgomery and enjoy sail with my grandson on the Hudson River in NY. I read some of the blogs and find them helpful. Just wanted to intro myself, Tom

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