August 2014 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Question re. older M17 rudders.
by swwheatley＠comcast.net 22 Aug '14

22 Aug '14

New M17 owner looking for some guidance on how the rudder is supposed to go up and down. Specifically, is the rod supposed to remain stationary relative to the gudgeons while the rudder mounted fittings (I hesitate to call a pinless fitting a pintle) slide up and down the rod? Or is the rod supposed to slide up and down in the gudgeons while the rudder mounted fittings remain stationary relative to the rod? My boat came to me rigged per option 1, but the least little bend in the rod or misalignment of the fittings makes it virtually impossible to raise the rudder. I've seen photos on-line of M17s rigged per option 2 and that seems like it might be a less fussy arrangement.

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Re: M_Boats: Race to Alaska in M15
by nebwest2＠aol.com 22 Aug '14

22 Aug '14

Over the last few years I've done a 50 mile endurance run in my Paradox, two 100 mileor so coastal race runs in my M23, the approx 200 mile Texas 200 in the Paradox, and three 100-200 mile cruises in the San Jaun and Gulf Islands. I've looked at this trip quite a bit. "Scout", my Paradox, would definitely be a better choice for this trip and I am confident it is doable in her or my M17. But after giving it a couple days thought and talking with some sailors I really respect and who are experienced (everyone has opinions....lol) the question arose....what is the goal? If winning is the goal (and this race is setup so the race is OVER after the first vessel arrives and claims the $10,000 prize) then neither of these two boats seems to me to be the choice as neither can be very efficiently driven under human power. Yes I have yulohed and paddles the Paradox many miles but it's not easy and counter current would yield me immobile. Driving the Monty would be worse. IF the goal was "just making the trip", the adventure, and not the race.....well then I think I would lean towards at least taking a motor, if not using it....slowing down and enjoying the trip, rather doing it in what promises to be probably two weeks or more of hard core go go go. I think the expedition paddle boats that are skillfully navigated by iron men, will be able to penetrate north even against some of the currents by finding eddies and staying right against shore. This would be hard to compete with. So since I've tackled a 50, 100, and 200 miles trips...probably the best plan of action for me would be a more reasonable jump in distance to 300....rather than 750. Anyone following this small boat adventure sailing world knows the king of the longer one's is the Everglades Challenge, 300 miles. I think that's where I am going to concentrate my efforts. Maybe after doing that...and gaining that experience, if this 750 challenge is still going , I could try it then. One thing I have learned in all these events is this: you can read about it and recite book knowledge till you're blue in the face, but the real teacher is doing the prep work, pushing off the dock, getting out there and gutting it out, testing your boat, skills, mental state, and physical conditioning. All 4 need to be ready to go...a break down in any one ends the trip. Much of the stuff I "thought" I knew prior to participating in the longer runs, turned out to be stuff that sounds good, but in real practice you realize that they guy that came up with this advice must have never tried it. LOL. With that in mind...I think I could learn a ton from the Watertribe group just as I did from the Texas 200 gang. Of course I ALWAYS reserve the right to change my mind...but for today....I'm thinking I'm gonna watch this first 750 closely and see what shakes out, and continue to build my small boat voyaging skills incrementally. If I was closer geographically I might entertain jumping in on the Victoria leg, but driving 3000 miles to sail 40 is too crazy...even for me. Or .....or at least ....that's today's plan. LOL Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

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Re: M_Boats: Looking for a new galvanized M-17 Trailer
by nebwest2＠aol.com 22 Aug '14

22 Aug '14

Second on Pacific. Bought one from them about a year ago for a 17. It was beautiful....torsion axles, led, stainless brakes,,,truly a great setup. I also purchased one about 10 years ago for my 23. It probably has 25,000 miles on it and no problems. Would definitely get another one if I needed another trailer. Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

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Looking for a new galvanized M-17 Trailer
by Lenny Corin 21 Aug '14

21 Aug '14

Hi, My Trail-Rite California painted trailer is showing wear and tear. Any advice on who's out there that customizes trailers for a Montgomery 17? I'd like to get a galvanized trailer with an extension and a mount for the motor. Lenny Corin, Orli, #302, here on Whidbey Island, WA Sent from my iPad

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Race to Alaska in M15
by Tyler Backman 20 Aug '14

20 Aug '14

I'm thinking about signing up to do the Race to Alaska in my M15. 750 miles engineless from Port Townsend to Ketchikan next summer: http://racetoalaska.com Any advice or comments? My experience with this area is very little wind- it would probably be necessary to have a good sliding seat rowing station, and a team of two that are both strong rowers. I think the M15 would be at a strong disadvantage against lighter open hull and longer waterline boats, unless there is unusually heavy weather or strong winds. Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"

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Re: M_Boats: Heave-to
by Lenny 20 Aug '14

20 Aug '14

SANDY!!!! 😄 Doin' fine dude. Still have my M23 and waiting for things to cool down a bit before getting wet. Maybe you could give me a few pointers.....lol. You still have the same ph #? Sincerely, Lenny Smith On Aug 19, 2014, at 6:37 PM, Sandy via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Don't listen to that Lenny guy. He don't know nuthin 'bout that sailboat stuff. > > How ya doing Lenny? Haven't heard from you. > > Sandman > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lenny <lsmith56(a)cox.net> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Tue, Aug 19, 2014 4:34 pm > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Heave-to > > > You're on the right track. Back the jib, leave the jibsheet alone, slacken main > sheet, point tiller downwind. Should settle in nicely. > > Sincerely, > > Lenny Smith > > > On Aug 19, 2014, at 6:06 PM, Nick and Pam Field <nickpamfield(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Yes >> >> Nick and Pam >> >> >> On 19 August 2014 20:03, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Nick: >>> >>> with the jib backed and the main pulling the M17 will hove-to easily. >>> >>> based on what you described is your main luffing as you are putting > in a >>> reef? >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred >>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Nick and Pam Field < >>> nickpamfield(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm in my second season of summer sailing my Montgomery 17 and have > been >>>> trying to heave-to so I can reduce sail. I've followed what has > worked in >>>> the past backing the jib with the rudder over so she heads into the > wind >>>> but to no avail. My Monty wants to slide off the wind and slip > sideways >>>> losing all kinds of ground Any pointers what am I doing wrong she > really >>>> doesn't like her nose to the wind >>>> Nick from Maada in Halifax > > >

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Re: M_Boats: Heave-to
by Lenny 19 Aug '14

19 Aug '14

You're on the right track. Back the jib, leave the jibsheet alone, slacken main sheet, point tiller downwind. Should settle in nicely. Sincerely, Lenny Smith On Aug 19, 2014, at 6:06 PM, Nick and Pam Field <nickpamfield(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Yes > > Nick and Pam > > > On 19 August 2014 20:03, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Nick: >> >> with the jib backed and the main pulling the M17 will hove-to easily. >> >> based on what you described is your main luffing as you are putting in a >> reef? >> >> >> >> -- >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Nick and Pam Field < >> nickpamfield(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I'm in my second season of summer sailing my Montgomery 17 and have been >>> trying to heave-to so I can reduce sail. I've followed what has worked in >>> the past backing the jib with the rudder over so she heads into the wind >>> but to no avail. My Monty wants to slide off the wind and slip sideways >>> losing all kinds of ground Any pointers what am I doing wrong she really >>> doesn't like her nose to the wind >>> Nick from Maada in Halifax >>

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Re: M_Boats: Heave-to
by Lenny 19 Aug '14

19 Aug '14

Slacken the main sheet ........ Sincerely, Lenny Smith On Aug 19, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Nick and Pam Field <nickpamfield(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I'm in my second season of summer sailing my Montgomery 17 and have been > trying to heave-to so I can reduce sail. I've followed what has worked in > the past backing the jib with the rudder over so she heads into the wind > but to no avail. My Monty wants to slide off the wind and slip sideways > losing all kinds of ground Any pointers what am I doing wrong she really > doesn't like her nose to the wind > Nick from Maada in Halifax

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Re: M_Boats: Heave-to
by Mark Dvorscak 19 Aug '14

19 Aug '14

Try various settings with the mainsheet. You have to find the spot where she's balanced Sent from my U.S. Cellular® smartphone Nick and Pam Field <nickpamfield(a)gmail.com> wrote: >I'm in my second season of summer sailing my Montgomery 17 and have been >trying to heave-to so I can reduce sail. I've followed what has worked in >the past backing the jib with the rudder over so she heads into the wind >but to no avail. My Monty wants to slide off the wind and slip sideways >losing all kinds of ground Any pointers what am I doing wrong she really >doesn't like her nose to the wind >Nick from Maada in Halifax

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Re: M_Boats: Any NC Montgomerys?
by csugg 17 Aug '14

17 Aug '14

Nancy and Chuck, While I live near you and still would be very happy to share with you, Mike Murphy is the real thing! He has helped me from the get go and there is no better teacher or nice guy. Maybe we can all get together sometime on the water. Chesley -----Original Message----- >From: Nancy Lau <nancylauprescott(a)gmail.com> >Sent: Aug 17, 2014 5:03 PM >To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: M_Boats: Any NC Montgomerys? > >We bought an M-15 two years ago and wonder if there are any others in >eastern NC? We live in RDU and need some instruction but thought we could >try to connect with other owners before hiring an instructor. > >Thank you, > > >Nancy Lau > >& Chuck Prescott >Hull # 322 >*Zuchini*

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