April 2014 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Fwd: TillerClutch control line on an M15?
by Dave Scobie 16 Apr '14

16 Apr '14

Charlie: picture attached showing the strapeye (transom) and v-cleat (cockpit combing backrest) hardware that WaveFront recommends for the TillerClutch. from the aft cockpit corner it is 12" to the v-cleat and 12" to the strapeye. there are two options for the v-cleat: plastic or metal. plastic bonus is if the pressure gets so great it will break before tearing out the of the fiberglass, but will not hold as firm as metal. contact Katherine and Pete, info(a)wavefront.com<https://us-mg5.mail.yahoo.com/compose?to=info@wavefront.com>, to purchase the hardware. there are a few negatives to this install: as noted above the hardware can rip out of the fiberglass (installing a backing plate is very very hard as your hands will not fit between the cockpit wall and the transom, and to reach the location of the v-cleat you must cut out the cockpit locker pan); next using the aft cleats the control lines will better hold the tiller (and can't be ripped out); third is drilling more holes in your boat. the TillerClutch on my M17 and S17 use the aft cleats for the three reasons above. note: be sure to loosen at least one side of the control line, and the tillerclutch is unengaged, before moving the rudder up/down. the tillerclutch will stop the tiller from moving up/down (see above comment about ripping hardware out of fiberglass). -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com

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Re: M_Boats: Opening up the deck of an M-23 like a can of sardines
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 16 Apr '14

16 Apr '14

Connie, Thanks for the 'careening' reminder.(I forgot that one momentarily) I appreciate your sharing of skills. If you ever get to central Arizona - I would be honored to take you for a sail - In the middle of the desert - on a Montgomery of course! Take Care, Have Fun, Keep sailing - in memories or on 'other folks' boats' The offer stands - I hope someone will take me out for a sail when I 'swallow the anchor'. GO _gilasailr(a)aol.com_ (mailto:gilasailr@aol.com) In a message dated 4/15/2014 9:29:24 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, chbenneck(a)gmail.com writes: On 14-Apr-14 10:07 PM, bownez(a)juno.com wrote: Hi Bones, Thanks for your kind words of encouragement. Having just passed 93, and counting, I'm afraid that all I have left are lots of fond memories of solving boat problems / learning all sorts of new things ( designing and installing a refrigeration system in our 29-footer), so that we always had ice cubes for our Martinis, while the rest of our sailing gang (with larger boats) were still lugging blocks of ice to their boats. It was my form of One-Upsmanship on my senior Pratt & Whitney Aircraft engineer sailing buddies. Sailing expands your horizons / your experience / and thereby makes it so much more rewarding. As a beginning sailor life is filled with the fear of the unknown (your lack of knowledge of what the hell you are doing out there), but gradually experience begins to supplant fear. Now you know what you are doing. Oh there still are surprises (usually unpleasant) caused by local conditions in an area you hadn't encountered before, but you learn from the experience. In the Adriatic a Bora - a fiercely blowing cold wind that sweeps down on the northern Adriatic out of the Alps for a few hours and then shuts off again had us dragging an anchor (we only had one on board a friends boat we were using), and our fin keel was firmly stuck in the soft mud bottom. Trying to row out the anchor and use that to pull us into deeper water didn't work. The anchor just plowed a furrow in the soft mud...., and the boat didn't move an inch. Now what? Finally, I did an underwater survey (with mask and swim fins) to find the shortest path to deeper water. Then, using a hatch board as a shovel, I dug an underwater trench in front of the keel to deeper water.... We made it, but that experience made a firm believer out of me that a boat should always have at least 3 anchors on board. If I had had a second one available I could have used it to careen the boat, reducing the draft, and getting to deeper water in easier fashion. But (after it is all over) it was fun wasn't it? Happy Easter and good sailing, Connie & Katrina > My Dear Connie, > > Once again, I relish your words of wisdom. > You are so correct sir, the learning never ends, which is one of the main reasons I find the sport so enjoyable. > Every sailing outing is different, it is an adventure and a challenge. A wise man learns from his experiences and his mistakes (hopefully). > > I'm so pleased you are still monitoring this fine list, don't you ever leave us. > > Bones > ____________________________________________________________ > The #1 Worst Carb Ever? > Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat This!) > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/534ca2ae7d5c222ae30a7st03vuc >

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TillerClutch control line on an M15?
by Charlie Fortner 16 Apr '14

16 Apr '14

I sure do like my newly installed TillerClutch. Beats the old bungee by miles. However, tying the control line to the stern cleats is less than ideal for several reasons. I'm thinking of installing cam cleats on the transom to hold the line. But before I go drill holes I'd like to know what others have done. Charlie M-15 #411

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Re: M_Boats: Any M10 sailors out there?
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 15 Apr '14

15 Apr '14

The goal is to 'rack em up' like miles on a truck! Days weeks, months,nights - any one of em- and all of them! GO In a message dated 4/15/2014 9:51:51 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, openboatt(a)gmail.com writes: Thanks for reminding me how long ago college was Gary. t On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 9:27 PM, <GILASAILR(a)aol.com> wrote: > Tom, > > I had my black one on the roof of my VW for 4 years in college - ready at a > moments notice! BTW that was about 2028 weeks ago - I haven't sailed one > 'recently....' > > GO > > my college roommate sent me photo of it awhile back - gotta round that up. > > > > In a message dated 4/15/2014 1:14:51 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > wcampion(a)aol.com writes: > > > I had an M-10, but sold it last year. > > > Skip > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Smith <openboatt(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Tue, Apr 15, 2014 4:06 pm > Subject: M_Boats: Any M10 sailors out there? > > > I'd like to communicate with any Montgomery 10 owners. Anybody on the > list? Thanks. Tom > > >

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Re: M_Boats: Any M10 sailors out there?
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 15 Apr '14

15 Apr '14

Tom, I had my black one on the roof of my VW for 4 years in college - ready at a moments notice! BTW that was about 2028 weeks ago - I haven't sailed one 'recently....' GO my college roommate sent me photo of it awhile back - gotta round that up. In a message dated 4/15/2014 1:14:51 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, wcampion(a)aol.com writes: I had an M-10, but sold it last year. Skip -----Original Message----- From: Tom Smith <openboatt(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Apr 15, 2014 4:06 pm Subject: M_Boats: Any M10 sailors out there? I'd like to communicate with any Montgomery 10 owners. Anybody on the list? Thanks. Tom

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Re: M_Boats: Deck repair
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 15 Apr '14

15 Apr '14

Doug, Just bought 10 gallons for a 'project vehicle' at Deer Valley - freight was $70.00! YEOOW was what he said! Have fun go sailing - I think I will go tomorrow - nice breezes forecast. GO In a message dated 4/15/2014 10:12:59 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, doug1kelch(a)gmail.com writes: Larry, I do love the C dory 22. I use aviation fuel in my Honda 2 and Honda 5 and have not had a gummy carb or rubber gasket seal problem. It costs quit a bit more but for some reason they don't like airplane engines to stop while in use. You can get at any local general aviation airport. Thanks Doug Kelch M15 G #310 "Seas the Day" On Apr 15, 2014 9:59 AM, "Hughston, Larry@DGS" <Larry.Hughston(a)dgs.ca.gov> wrote: > Hey Bones, this is Larry in Sacramento. I am prepping my old M-15 #189 > for sale. It shined up on the hull quite nicely. Here is my main > question. With the "new" boat (C-Dory 22') I now have 2 Hondas on the back > to care for and my problem is I need to find a source of fuel that has no > Ethanol. I am not sure if my engines are susceptible to Ethanol (10%) > damage. The engines are 2006 vintage. How do I confirm that these > engines will not be affected by the new fuels here in California? Any > suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again for your vast > knowledge and your sharing. Have you considered writing a book of your > experiences? You already have a following in this forum. > > Thanks....Larry Hughston in Sacramento (with proportionally more river > than lake...Folsom is at 50% and few ramps) > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto: > montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > bownez(a)juno.com > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 8:36 PM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Deck repair > > Howard, > > I had to do my chainplate areas too. It was easy compared to the foredeck > (from below). > > I have been using epoxy products from System Three. They have a good > website and a starter kit with a fabulous instruction booklet. > > If you own a fiberglass boat, it's time to learn epoxy. The more you play > with it, the better you understand it. > > Someday you could be doing a Robert Redford act in "All is Lost". > > Bones > ____________________________________________________________ > The #1 Worst Carb Ever? > Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat > This!) > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/534ca997bd5a42997651fst02vuc > > >

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Any M10 sailors out there?
by Tom Smith 15 Apr '14

15 Apr '14

I'd like to communicate with any Montgomery 10 owners. Anybody on the list? Thanks. Tom

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Re: M_Boats: Opening up the deck of an M-23 like a can of sardines
by bownez＠juno.com 15 Apr '14

15 Apr '14

My Dear Connie, Once again, I relish your words of wisdom. You are so correct sir, the learning never ends, which is one of the main reasons I find the sport so enjoyable. Every sailing outing is different, it is an adventure and a challenge. A wise man learns from his experiences and his mistakes (hopefully). I'm so pleased you are still monitoring this fine list, don't you ever leave us. Bones ____________________________________________________________ The #1 Worst Carb Ever? Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat This!) http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/534ca2ae7d5c222ae30a7st03vuc

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Re: M_Boats: Deck repair
by bownez＠juno.com 15 Apr '14

15 Apr '14

Howard, I had to do my chainplate areas too. It was easy compared to the foredeck (from below). I have been using epoxy products from System Three. They have a good website and a starter kit with a fabulous instruction booklet. If you own a fiberglass boat, it's time to learn epoxy. The more you play with it, the better you understand it. Someday you could be doing a Robert Redford act in "All is Lost". Bones ____________________________________________________________ The #1 Worst Carb Ever? Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat This!) http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/534ca997bd5a42997651fst02vuc

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Re: M_Boats: Honda engines and ethanol
by W David Scobie 15 Apr '14

15 Apr '14

Larry: the Honda's will run 10% ethanol, but not more than that, - http://engines.honda.com/parts-and-support/fuel-recommendations the issue to be aware: the ethanol is a good cleaner so gunk in the fuel tanks can be moved into the engine's fuel system. good fuel filters are important ... and change those filters regularly. my guess is your boat has a plastic fuel tank. wouldn't hurt to confirm that the tank is clean and the tank is rated for ethanol (fiberglass tanks, in general, are not good with ethanol. the C-Dory i was on last summer had a single plastic tank mounted on the starboard side at the transom (outboard of the engine well). the big issue is ethanol loves to soak up water. using fuel treatments, such as Sea Foam and Sta-Bil (marine) are important (even if you find a source for ethanol free gas). use Sea Foamand Sta-Bil together. during the season keep that tank topped off to reduce condensation. you will need to choose between a full tank for the winter, or drain everything so the tank is empty (i bet a C-Dory forum has folks with recommendations). :: Dave Scobie -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 4/15/14, Hughston, Larry@DGS <Larry.Hughston(a)dgs.ca.gov> wrote: Hey Bones, this is Larry in Sacramento. I am prepping my old M-15 #189 for sale. It shined up on the hull quite nicely. Here is my main question. With the "new" boat (C-Dory 22') I now have 2 Hondas on the back to care for and my problem is I need to find a source of fuel that has no Ethanol. I am not sure if my engines are susceptible to Ethanol (10%) damage. The engines are 2006 vintage. How do I confirm that these engines will not be affected by the new fuels here in California? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again for your vast knowledge and your sharing. Have you considered writing a book of your experiences? You already have a following in this forum. Thanks....Larry Hughston in Sacramento (with proportionally more river than lake...Folsom is at 50% and few ramps)

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