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Re: M_Boats: See 'em raise that mast!!! ;-)
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 21 May '13

21 May '13

Here are a couple of old pics of raising Dauntless' mast. 'Jo was there so she was helping but I routinely do it solo.......(except when Larry is there!) You can see the telescoping crutch in the one and the A-frame in the other. http://www.flickr.com/photos/sailhavasu/sets/72157633544992610/

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Sorry Phil! I couldn't remember her name!
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 21 May '13

21 May '13

This getting old stinks! ;-) S

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 123, Issue 11
by SCPD103＠aol.com 21 May '13

21 May '13

THANKS FOR THE SUGGESTIONS , REFERENCE TRAILER LOCKS. TONY V. In a message dated 5/20/2013 2:55:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com writes: Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: mast raising on M-23, as easy as NorSea 27? (Todd Bradley) 2. Re: trailer locks (George Iemmolo) 3. Re: mast raising on M-23, as easy as NorSea 27? (Nebwest2(a)aol.com) 4. Re: trailer locks (W David Scobie) 5. Re: mast raising on M-23, as easy as NorSea 27? (Nebwest2(a)aol.com) 6. Re: mast raising on M-23, as easy as NorSea 27? (jerry montgomery) 7. Re: mast raising on M-23, as easy as NorSea 27? (Tom Jenkins) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 07:45:34 -0700 From: "Todd Bradley" <todd(a)btbuilders.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast raising on M-23, as easy as NorSea 27? Message-ID: <001201ce5568$b0f4dc40$12de94c0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Robbin - Thanks for posting this question. I need help also. I am a new M-23 owner and I will be lowering the mast next week and I have got to admit a bit nervous. I have been scanning the internet for any videos or methods. Sounds like Sean use some type of homemade A-frame and lowers and raises to/from the stern. I am not sure if this method can be performed without modification to the original boat/equipment. I think the original method is to lower and raise using the boom as a gin pole? Any advice is helpful. Thank you! Todd Bradley M-23 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Robbin Roddewig Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 6:27 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: mast raising on M-23, as easy as NorSea 27? Hi all, it is time to raise the mast on the M-23. My son and I tried it with muscle with the mast over the stern and could not raise it safely. I have been watching the NorSea 27 videos which show it being lowered to the bow with the main sheet using the boom as a gin pole. Has anyone got more information about this method? Does the NorSea have a set up that I could copy to raise the mast? Thanks in advance! Robbin M-10, M-23 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 11:17:08 -0500 From: "George Iemmolo" <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: trailer locks Message-ID: <519a4c86.0a1e320a.77b6.011b(a)mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Tony A regular padlock will do. They do sell special padlocks for that purpose. George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of SCPD103(a)aol.com Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 8:15 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: trailer locks ANY SUGGESTIONS ON THE BEST LOCKING DEVICES TO US TO SECURE YOUR TRAILER WHEN IT'S HOOKED UP TO YOUR VEHICLE AND PARKED IN THE PARKING LOT AT THE BOAT RAMP? THANKS TONY V. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 12:39:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Nebwest2(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast raising on M-23, as easy as NorSea 27? Message-ID: <925eb.3c5c1b39.3ecbabc1(a)aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hey Gang.. yes....I use an A-frame that allows me to do the whole operation singlehanded and under control. The A-frame clamps to the two chainplates and consists of two pipes that go forward to just above the stemhead and then are connected together with 2 U-bolts (one facing up and one facing down.) Two halyard are attached to the top U-bolt and the mainsheet is used to connect to the stemhead and the lower u-bolt. The halyards are then used to raise the A-frame perpendicular to the mast and locked off. The mainsheet then provides more than enough purchase for me to raise the mast by pulling the A-frame back down to the starting position just above the stemhead . I stand at the tabernacle and pull on the mainsheet..this allows me to contol the mast side to side until the shrouds get tight. Actually having the boat ever so slightly leaning to one side when I raise it aids me, in that the mast will want to favor that side in it's sway. This is the side I stand on so the mast can just rest against my hip as it goes up. The A-frame automatically centers the pull on the mast and is not able to sway. I also have an extending mast crutch that allows me to kind of pre-elevate the mast in the rear before I start hoisting it with the mainsheet. The Crutch is a custom aluminum deal I made that fits into a Todd seat post base that is mounted in the aft transverse lazzerette lid. This also doubles as a place to mount a cockpit table. The base of the crutch actually screws into it and then at the tip of the extension section I have three rings that allow me to secure three ratchet straps (one goes left to the dock cleat, one right to the dock cleat and one to a padeye I have mounted in the forward cockpit floor. This stablizes the top of the mast crutch. I lay my mast down aft, rather than the stock setup of going forward with it. I don't like going forward because you get so much weight out in front of the pivot point of the pulpit once the mast is down. I do have to remove the inner shrouds to lay it backwards and I suppose I could rotate the chainplates to alleviate this step, but I have never bothered. I use the velcro cotter pin straps to secure my turnbuckles so it's only a couple of minutes to remove them. I also did not like the amount of pressure on the gooseneck fitting using the boom as the gin pole and laying the mast foward. I don't think that going forward it would be very easy to perfect the system so that you can do it singlehanded. I've been using this system single handed for about 6 years, multiple times a year. It is slower to setup than some systems. I suffered a severe injury to my neck about 9 years ago in a mast raising incident with a Santana 23d which has a very heavy double spreader rig. Not wanting to ever find myself in an Air-E-Vac airplane at 2am again, I probably error on the side of caution and my setup time to many is too long. For me though, it makes me 100% self sufficient and safe. I routinely tow, rig, launch , retrieve , and de-rig solo....and in fact I usually prefer it that way. I will probably step the mast in the next week or two here at home to do some final prep work for the trip to the San Juans. If I do I will try to take some video of the process. I make no claims though that "this is the way to do it". Only that "this is the way I do it". Remember....before you consider copying what I am doing....It's a home made system and the guy that uses it is the same guy that just told you he has injured himself severely in a mast raising incident. LOL ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 09:44:39 -0700 (PDT) From: W David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: trailer locks Message-ID: <1369068279.98516.YahooMailClassic(a)web121702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 tony: i use Trimax's 'universal trailer couple lock' model# UMAX100 in addition to a padlock for the trailers at the shop. :: Dave Scobie --- On Sun, 5/19/13, SCPD103(a)aol.com <SCPD103(a)aol.com> wrote: > > ANY SUGGESTIONS ON THE BEST LOCKING > DEVICES TO US TO SECURE YOUR? TRAILER > WHEN IT'S HOOKED UP TO YOUR VEHICLE AND PARKED IN THE > PARKING LOT AT THE? > BOAT RAMP? THANKS TONY V. > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 12:50:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Nebwest2(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast raising on M-23, as easy as NorSea 27? Message-ID: <92a7d.38e12516.3ecbae45(a)aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Picture of the mast crutch in raised position. Jo was with me so she is helping but I can do this solo and often do

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See 'em raise that mast!!! ;-)
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 21 May '13

21 May '13

Dauntless, Faith, Raven, Clarity, and Phil and Mary Mcowin's 23 (sorry Phil I don't know what you called her) will all be converging on Anacortes Washington for a cruise of the San Juans and Gulf Islands in mid June. If ever there was a time to check out some M23 mast raising ....that'll be it! As far as I know this will be the largest gathering of M23's that has happened in many many years. I can't wait!!

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Re: M_Boats: See 'em raise that mast!!! ;-)
by edarts93＠earthlink.net 21 May '13

21 May '13

Hey Sean, maybe you could video all the mast raisings and put together a documentary of smiling M23 sailors raising a fleet of masts on the water! It'll be a great time from beginning to end. :) Mark -----Original Message----- >From: Nebwest2(a)aol.com >Sent: May 21, 2013 7:35 AM >To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: M_Boats: See 'em raise that mast!!! ;-) > >Dauntless, Faith, Raven, Clarity, and Phil and Mary Mcowin's 23 (sorry Phil > I don't know what you called her) will all be converging on Anacortes >Washington for a cruise of the San Juans and Gulf Islands in mid June. If >ever there was a time to check out some M23 mast raising ....that'll be it! >As far as I know this will be the largest gathering of M23's that has >happened in many many years. I can't wait!!

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Re: M_Boats: mast raising on M-23
by bownez＠juno.com 21 May '13

21 May '13

The former owner of my M23, Dick Lane, modified an electric motor winch to mount on the traveler track and bolt to a padeye in the cockpit. I set the entire rig up, attach a small AGM battery, hit the on switch, and the mast raises itself....... Cool. Bones ____________________________________________________________ 1 Weird spice that FIGHTS diabetes Can this unusual "super spice" control your blood sugar and fight diabetes&#63 http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/519b6a7bc4de86a7b13afst03vuc

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trailer locks
by SCPD103＠aol.com 20 May '13

20 May '13

ANY SUGGESTIONS ON THE BEST LOCKING DEVICES TO US TO SECURE YOUR TRAILER WHEN IT'S HOOKED UP TO YOUR VEHICLE AND PARKED IN THE PARKING LOT AT THE BOAT RAMP? THANKS TONY V.

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Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint On Montgomery 15 and Centerboard Pin
by Scott Larson 20 May '13

20 May '13

I am just about to start putting the barrier coat on the keel, but have some more questions about the CB bolt and bolt. I plan to pull the CB at the end of the season for maintenance and fix it so it will not get stuck in the up position (I plan to just leave it down for the season, otherwise, it will get stuck in the up position the first time I retract it). A note from Jerry stated that the pin is to go in from the starboard side. I am pretty sure someone put this one in from the port side. The port side of the pin is peened a little bit, and the starboard side has small pin marks in the end of it where someone used something like a nailset to drive it out. Should I just leave it that way till I haul it out in the fall? Also, I am thinking of just painting over the pin and area around it with the barrier coat (then it will be easier to pull the pin at the end of the season). Does anyone think that will cause me any more problems over the season than a little more turbulence across the keel? Scott Larson

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Re: M_Boats: mast raising on M-23, as easy as NorSea 27?
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 20 May '13

20 May '13

Robbin, Back in the day, my family sailed a Midship 25/Dawson 26/Parker Dawson 26 out of Dana Inn at MB San Diego - we used the boom as a gin pole to raise and lower rig in order to clear the bridge leaving the bay - worked great, under control - make sure all connections including the gooseneck fitting are up to the task. We used to step C-25 -C-30's the same way - called a 'Huntington Rig' by the SoCal sailing community?. Be Careful,Good Luck, Have Fun, Go Sailing! GO our season is winding down locally (AZ) - too warm soon - time to venture afar! In a message dated 5/20/2013 11:56:06 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, tjenk(a)gte.net writes: When I owned a Nor'Sea, I always used what sounds like the same triatic plate system Jerry used on the 23, and in fact the bow pulpit had a dip in the center to catch the mast as it was lowered forward. Frankly, lowering the NS 27 mast singlehanded was easier than lowering the mast on my M17, because the alignment of the mast tabernacle and the triatic plates (triangles) near the shroud bases kept the wires from the triangles to the boom-end (and the upper shrouds) uniformly snug throughout the raising or lowering process. The only difference is probably trivial--I fastened the boom end to the masthead with the topping lift rather than the jib halyard. Frankly, I don't know if dropping the mast forward or aft makes a big difference, but all I needed for the NS was a small-diameter cable set stored in a little bag, whereas the aft-dropping procedure requires a mast crutch and some type of A-frame. The NS did not require a mast crutch for trailering because the mast rode to the starboard side on two purpose-made plywood boxes. On May 20, 2013, at 10:15 AM, jerry montgomery wrote: > We supplied the 23 with a device to raise/lower the mast, consisting of a pair of little stainess triangles in line in the shrouds, a few inches above the turnbuckles, and a pair of wires about 8' long that attach between the triangles and the boom. > > Lower the mast forward, onto the bow pulpit, by putting the boom in place, attaching the jib halyard to the end of the boom, triangulating the boom with the two wires, releasing the backstay, and controlling the mast/boom with the mainsheet as it lowers forward. Easy as pie. > > jerry > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Bradley" <todd(a)btbuilders.net> > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 7:45 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast raising on M-23, as easy as NorSea 27? > > >> Hi Robbin - Thanks for posting this question. I need help also. I am a new >> M-23 owner and I will be lowering the mast next week and I have got to admit >> a bit nervous. I have been scanning the internet for any videos or methods. >> Sounds like Sean use some type of homemade A-frame and lowers and raises >> to/from the stern. I am not sure if this method can be performed without >> modification to the original boat/equipment. I think the original method is >> to lower and raise using the boom as a gin pole? Any advice is helpful. >> >> Thank you! >> >> Todd Bradley >> M-23 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com >> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Robbin >> Roddewig >> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 6:27 PM >> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> Subject: M_Boats: mast raising on M-23, as easy as NorSea 27? >> >> Hi all, >> it is time to raise the mast on the M-23. My son and I tried it with muscle >> with the mast over the stern and could not raise it safely. I have been >> watching the NorSea 27 videos which show it being lowered to the bow with >> the main sheet using the boom as a gin pole. Has anyone got more >> information about this method? Does the NorSea have a set up that I could >> copy to raise the mast? >> Thanks in advance! >> >> Robbin >> M-10, M-23 >> >> >> >> > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > SPAMfighter has removed 8612 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen > > >

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Re: M_Boats: mast raising on M-23, as easy as NorSea 27?
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 20 May '13

20 May '13

Picture of the mast crutch in raised position. Jo was with me so she is helping but I can do this solo and often do

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