February 2013 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Little Breeze M15
by Michael Mann 18 Nov '15

18 Nov '15

Hi, My name is Michael Mann and in 1982, I sailed the Montgomery 15, Little Breeze from CA to Hawaii. I see on the web site that she has been rescued by new owners in Hawaii and I would love to correspond with them. I am currently sailing on a container ship headed for Honolulu and would welcome the chance to make contact. Thanks for any info. Michael Mann

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replacement windows
by Bonnie Kostka 15 Aug '13

15 Aug '13

A while back someone mentioned where to buy replacement widows, Did anyone buy them & where did they buy them? Bonnie M15

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Montgomery Sailboats are in high demand
by Bob Eeg 14 Jul '13

14 Jul '13

And are built with top-notch quality. There is nothing in the market place faster, better built and as good looking as a Montgomery Sailboat. I don't run a factory; I run a very small boatshop. I built to order on a boat by boat basis. I do a lot of custom work when asked. Bronze ports, Stainless ports, extra ballast, Custom electrical systems, Idasailor rudders, anchoring packages..etc. This work is labor intensive. Quality takes time. I have 3 employees. These people are highly experienced in Laminating, construction, assembly and finish. Woodworking and other skills result in a absolutely beautiful sailing vessel. I use the best sails the best rigging, the best custom stainless fasteners..and yes....(laughing) the best cushions. This last 15 months have been EXTREMELY busy; hiring new help was impossible because all the good people are gone. We had a tremendous BACKLOG and we caught a break only when Pacific Seacraft employees (let go) began filtering into our shop looking for work. We did add some additional crew in the Laminating Shop and because of that we are caught up. Pacific Seacrafts Bankruptcy was good for us. Bad for the dozens of good people who are out of work. The FIRST question of anyone buying a new boat should be 'How is the construction quality'? First and foremost that is the most important issue. I can say that everyone has experienced and will continue to experience a BACKLOG of orders; especially if the boat is as popular as a Montgomery Sailboat. When we had an 8 month backlog and I actually turned down 2 M_17 orders so we could catch our breath. It is impossible to work any harder or any faster. Now that were caught up we can get back to our normal 50-70 days (depending on model and options). Also custom work really adds to the production time. One beautiful M_17 we did we cut the V berth out of and installed an oval bulkhead, custom shelves and inline potti area; with 4 bronze ports she is an amazing boat, but custom work takes time. Expect delays if you go radical on the interior. (I think BONES has a photo of that one...) We are really one of the only builders that entertain changes and options to satisfy the customer. This new Passagemaker M_17 were building (and installing a windvane on tomorrow) is going to be amazing. Other actual boat factories that produce boats for DEALERS (that Tod mentioned) like Precision and Compac are built on Factory Production lines for a large Dealership Network. Dealers who have these boats in stock can supply them right away. But ask for major changes on a future production boat and the wait will be many months. International Marine builds boats faster with more employees but those boats are piss poor sailers (upwind) and many arrive with a list of problems that are pathetic. That's not me. So try not to focus on the TIME factor. We can only go so fast. Hiring additional help is not an option because by the time you train someone the season gets slow and you have to lay them off. I can't do that. I have people that have been with me for 20 years; I keep us small and efficient on purpose. So be surprised if we hit the delivery time; which we do quite often. Be a little disappointed when we miss it; but get over it when you see your boat. Dozens of you know me; you've arrived to see me rig your boat, pack you up and shake your hand. (Heck...Gary Hyde even brought me a bottle of wine..!..Thanks Gary.!) One man bought a new M_15 from us and a new M_17 a year later.! The C word...Cushions. I inspect everyboat before it leaves for home. Scott's boat was leaving for the Bay Area early Friday morning; I was at the boatshop at 10:30 PM Thursday night, sleeping at the picnic table just inside the door, waiting for the cushion guy to arrive with the (late) promised cushions. He drove up, woke me up and I watched as he stacked them on the deck. We left. My man arrived at 3AM and hooked up the boat and slid the cushions inside the boat. I should have loaded them myself then I would have noticed they looked good but didn't have the required 'Squeeze' factor. Let's move on, shall we....? Fair winds Bob Eeg (949) 489-8227 Boat Builder

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Re: M_Boats: Hi
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 07 Jul '13

07 Jul '13

Hi Gordon, Louis, In my "day job" we began to export in 1979. We began to import in 1981. With more than 30 years of experience in this area and more than 1,000,000 miles traveling to distant lands, I believe my understanding is somewhat broad with regards to the question. There is truth to what Gordon says, and there is also truth to what Louis says. The question is quite complex, certainly more than can be discussed on this board (although I am willing to share info and experience if anyone is interested). The valuation of currency is critical to understanding. Long term, it is important to balance import and export as it is important to help support US companies. At Sage Marine, we are offering sails from both Harry Pattison and Judy B., whom have demonstrated quality and commitment. (We will also work with any sail-maker of your choice). Please pardon the shameless plug. Hi Bones, Quality is more a demonstration of longevity than performance, and longevity is difficult to determine in the short term. sal In a message dated 8/24/2011 8:54:54 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, gordon(a)financialwriting.net writes: Apology accepted, Louis. You're right in that 2/3rds of the U.S. gross domestic product is driven by the consumer sector -- the goods and services purchased by all of us (excluding businesses and the government). That's important for our nation's well being, and especially for small businesses. All competitors in the global economy -- including many "mom-and-pop outfits" in the United States -- work hard to sell to foreign buyers. At the same time, many savvy consumers seek out the world's best products and services for the lowest price -- which makes sense. In a way, this potentially threatening "global economy" can benefit us all -- as consumers and businesses. I don't think boat sails or any other products are necessarily inferior -- or "low-ball," as you said -- just because they are made abroad. What's more, my recommending a Chinese sailmaker to someone doesn't mean I'm against buying "American." In fact, feel free to call Harry Pattison at Elliott-Pattison Sailmakers, a top-notch sailmaker in the United State of California who knows Montgomery boats well, and ask him how many sails Gordon Gilbert has purchased from him. You might be surprised at what an "equal opportunity" buyer I am. I'm just a hard-working guy who, like anyone else, wants to get the most for his money. Enjoy the rest of your sailing season! Gordon Still a Proud U.S. Air Force Veteran P.S. Frankly, I don't think being disrespectful or discourteous to someone in an e-mail -- especially someone you don't know -- is a good way to GET THEIR ATTENTION. On Aug 24, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Louis Remmers wrote: > Gordon: I do apologize if my e mail seemed disrespectful, but I DID get your attention. Although we all know the current economic situation is global, very few of us have any influence in foreign economics. We do however have a huge impact in the economy of the USA. If we all purchase in country it WILL make a difference. I would like to recommend Douglas Fowler sail maker from New York. Chris Rooke in Memphis is also able to make excellent sails at a very good price. If you look around you will find MANY mom and pop outfits that we need to help us all float our boats so to speak. Once again accept my apologies for rocking your boat. Louis Remmers. > > --- On Tue, 8/23/11, Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> wrote: > > > From: Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> > Subject: M_Boats: Hi > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 12:34 PM > > > Dear Gordon, > > First, I hope your health is at least as good as it can be under the circumstances. How are you feeling? Have you been able to do some sailing in MN? > > I wanted to ask you a quick question. I remembered that at some point you mentioned an outfit in China which sold you sails for the Monty 17 at a very good price. Were you happy with the quality? What was the name/web address of the place? I am thinking of getting a new mainsail, and perhaps a new sail for a new boat I got (a Windrider 16, single person trimaran). > > Best wishes of health and hope, and I hope to hear from you soon. > > Andrei. > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Shroud tension
by Tom Jenkins 05 Mar '13

05 Mar '13

Hi gang, I am usually too busy under such conditions, but I noticed that the lower lee shrouds on my M17 show a little slack when I beat to weather at wind speeds over 25 knots. I am reluctant to start a tightening regime because the shrouds are just loose enough for me to raise and lower the mast without loosening and tightening the turnbuckles each cycle. Should I be concerned with the situation? Can one expect some permanent stretching of the shrouds with use? Will the presumed slight bowing of the mast to leeward be a problem? Thanks in advance for your comments. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla

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Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
by Thomas Buzzi 02 Mar '13

02 Mar '13

Since it has been about 15 years since last buying a knot meter,depth gauge or gps, does anybody have any recommendations as to which brand is a good cross between quality and price or is it a matter of "1st class or no class"? Tom B.

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Kickup rudder
by Rick Davies 02 Mar '13

02 Mar '13

I'd like to poll the group on experience with the Unifoil hydraulic kickup rudder. I'm using an Idasailor kickup without the strut, and it's a bear to get back down after it partially retracts from hitting bottom, which is quite a problem when the wind's blowing. Does the Unifoil reset itself after hitting an obstacle? Or do you still have to haul it back down with the control line, like I do now? It's a big investment to make, and I'd like to be sure it's going to be an improvement over what I have now. Thanks for any information anyone can give, Rick M17 #633 Lynne L

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Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
by Rick Davies 28 Feb '13

28 Feb '13

I've been using eSeaChart ($7.99) on my iPhone 4 and think it's great. Downloads NOAA charts for free and shows you exactly where you are, with course and speed. You can also put in waypoints, etc. My paper charts pretty much stay below. Rick Tom Jenkins <tjenk(a)gte.net> wrote: >Gary, >My iPhone and iPad have built-in GPS, as I assume is the case for your mini. What does the BadElf give you in addition? I have Navionics on both my machines, but the apparent lack of a compass is annoying. At least on my old Garmin, I can follow the compass to a series of waypoints. >Tom > >On Feb 28, 2013, at 7:44 AM, GARY M HYDE wrote: > >> I bought an iPad mini, a BadElf GPS plugin for it, and the Navionics app for the US and Canada. That gives me charts, knot meter, ease of use, and a lot more for less $ than a charting stand-alone GPS. The Navionics app works on my iPhone too at no added cost. >> >> ~~~_/)~~~ Gary >> Sent from my iPhone :-) >> >> On Feb 28, 2013, at 7:33 AM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: >> >>> I agree, KISS, keep it simple, sailor. M-Boats work on the KISS principle, keep them that way. >>> Steve >>> M-15 # 335 >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Douglas Kelch" <doug1kelch(a)gmail.com> >>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:24 AM >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps. >>> >>> >>>> I just use a hand held gps as double duty for a knot meter and gps. I do >>>> have a fixed mount compass and keep an old fashioned lead line for >>>> occasional use. >>>> >>>> I sail shallow draft boats, 2 ft 11 inch draft board/keel down and donot >>>> worry much about the depth while sailing. I use the lead line when >>>> checking out an anchorage if it is unfamiliar. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Doug >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Since it has been about 15 years since last buying a knot meter,depth gauge >>>>> or gps, does anybody have any recommendations as to which brand is a good >>>>> cross between quality and price or is it a matter of "1st class or no >>>>> class"? >>>>> Tom B. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> No virus found in this message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6137 - Release Date: 02/27/13 >>>> >> > >

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Re: M_Boats: Kickup rudder
by Rick Davies 27 Feb '13

27 Feb '13

My kickup never had a strut. It's a pretty simple model. Since I sail solo a lot I'd like to not worry about having to wrestle the blade back down manually. It sounds as if the gas strut does the trick. Thanks for the input - always get a good response from you guys. Gary, I saw a picture of Hydeaway's rudder on the Idasailor site (I think that's where I saw it). Rick M17 #633 Lynne L GARY M HYDE <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> wrote: >I'd put the gas cylinder ( strut) back on the IdaSailor. Mine works great. > >~~~_/)~~~ Gary >Sent from my iPhone :-) > >On Feb 27, 2013, at 5:08 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I'd like to poll the group on experience with the Unifoil hydraulic kickup >> rudder. I'm using an Idasailor kickup without the strut, and it's a bear >> to get back down after it partially retracts from hitting bottom, which is >> quite a problem when the wind's blowing. Does the Unifoil reset itself >> after hitting an obstacle? Or do you still have to haul it back down with >> the control line, like I do now? It's a big investment to make, and I'd >> like to be sure it's going to be an improvement over what I have now. >> >> Thanks for any information anyone can give, >> >> Rick >> M17 #633 >> Lynne L >

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Re: M_Boats: Shroud tension
by Larry E Yake 27 Feb '13

27 Feb '13

Tom, It's normal for your lee shrouds to have some slack. I get a little in both the upper and the lower. Not sure what wind speed it takes, but I'm sure it's less than 25 knots. Larry On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:26:41 -0800 Tom Jenkins <tjenk(a)gte.net> writes: > Hi gang, > I am usually too busy under such conditions, but I noticed that the > lower lee shrouds on my M17 show a little slack when I beat to > weather at wind speeds over 25 knots. I am reluctant to start a > tightening regime because the shrouds are just loose enough for me > to raise and lower the mast without loosening and tightening the > turnbuckles each cycle. Should I be concerned with the situation? > Can one expect some permanent stretching of the shrouds with use? > Will the presumed slight bowing of the mast to leeward be a > problem? > > Thanks in advance for your comments. > > Tom Jenkins > M17 Scintilla > >

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