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Another "Note to self" from today....
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 26 Apr '10

26 Apr '10

Stop cranking on keel pendant winch when keel reaches the "up" position. It won't go any higher. Should you choose not to stop cranking the winch handle because you have pre-occupied your feeble brain with some other thought and your muscles in you arm continue to keep cranking on autopilot, you will probably be reminded that you have reached the limit of travel of the keel and the limit of strength of said pendant with a sickening "SNAP" followed very shortly thereafter by the loudest "THUD" you would ever NOT want to hear you boat make as a 300lb plus keel accelerates at 9.8 meters per second squared and then is suddenly stopped by that little half inch bronze stop pin. You will then thank you lucky stars that you purchased a Montgomery, because after you struggle for an hour to get the keel re-raised out of the frame of the trailer (off-center of course), extinguish the electrical fire in the tow vehicle from backing in so far to attempt to free said keel from the grip of the trailer (which will not work, by the way) that the salt w ater became conductive within the trailer connector plug and shorted it, and then finally find that you can still get a hold of a piece of the pendant that remains, secure it to a line and run that to a cabin top winch so that you can just get the keel up high enough, freed from the trailer's grip, get the boat re-centered , loaded, pulled out of the water.....and you fine NO visible damage or water in the bilge. Of course, I have probably just bought myself a trip up off the trailer with a crane to really check things out and to be able to get access to change the pendant. But, when I heard and felt the "Thud" I was sure that I was going to have water in the bilge immediately. Not a drop. So far so good. I'm thinking dropping the wrong halyard would have been a lot more fun! :-) ( and a lot less costly :-( ) Sean

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Re: M_Boats: video of sailing San Diego with Socal Potters and Friends
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 26 Apr '10

26 Apr '10

Was any flat bread injured ? ? pita - skimming 'cross waves Crying out ' where's my hummus?? ' dipped in oil. I just couldn't pass it up ! GO In a message dated 4/26/2010 8:27:31 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, Nebwest2(a)aol.com writes: Larry Said...."Yeah, I kinda figured you were hove-to, or sailing with your jib backwinded in order to let everyone catch up so you could get some video. I have to do that all the time. hahahahaha" Sean says: "Silly Larry...no need to do all that...we just leave the motor down running in reverse..that way we look good while going slow! (sometimes we tow doodle too but never film that so as not to get attacked by PITA) :-) Only kidding,,, no doodles were injured in the making of the video S _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: video of sailing San Diego with Socal Potters and Friends
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 26 Apr '10

26 Apr '10

PETA hahaha (shortbus syndrome!...AGAIN!) hahaha

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Re: M_Boats: video of sailing San Diego with Socal Potters and Friends
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 26 Apr '10

26 Apr '10

Larry Said...."Yeah, I kinda figured you were hove-to, or sailing with your jib backwinded in order to let everyone catch up so you could get some video. I have to do that all the time. hahahahaha" Sean says: "Silly Larry...no need to do all that...we just leave the motor down running in reverse..that way we look good while going slow! (sometimes we tow doodle too but never film that so as not to get attacked by PITA) :-) Only kidding,,, no doodles were injured in the making of the video S

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Re: M_Boats: video of sailing San Diego with Socal Potters and Friends
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 26 Apr '10

26 Apr '10

yeah, a Ram Mount would be cool.....or,.......I could just choose when we are tacking instead of Mother Nature! hahaha

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Re: M_Boats: video of sailing San Diego with Socal Potters and Friends
by Larry E Yake 26 Apr '10

26 Apr '10

Hey, great video! Looks like lots of fun. Glad to see you could at least pass Jims M17 flying only it's main. Everything else was passing you like you were standing still. ;-) So... um... was Bosun taking the video during the tack sequence? On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 20:07:30 EDT Nebwest2(a)aol.com writes: > Last weekend in San Diego. Pre keel drop! > > Good Friends, Good times, Good wind...what it's all about... > > S > > _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0Xb9w7ZC4Q_ > (http://www.quicktopic.com/cgi-bin/link.cgi?link=http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=h0Xb9w7ZC4Q&x=254464880.4) > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > >

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Re: M_Boats: Boomkicker discussion
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 26 Apr '10

26 Apr '10

Jim, Bloviate to your hearts content - I think it sounds GREAT! but you are NOT being pompous about your opinion, Take Care Have Fun Go Sailing. GO In a message dated 4/26/2010 12:45:13 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, picfo(a)comcast.net writes: Gary, I think it's a Dwyer DM-6 section, and I believe their masts are 6061 Aluminum. The "ears" didn't actually bend, but they would spread open - then snap back shut without any permanent distortion. I'm pretty sure the mast is properly tempered (or whatever they do to it) because machine screws hold very well. By the way, you didn't come across as either 1,2,3, or 4 of your last paragraph. You came across as an experienced sailor who disagreed with my (admittedly sketchy) criticisms. Wow... two opinionated sailors disagreeing with each other? Something tells me we aren't the first. And as far as relegating the Boomkicker to racing applications: Don't take my racing vs. cruising bloviating too seriously. Gear that turns me on quickly becomes "essential for cruising" while products I feel indifferently about tend to get tossed into the "racing gizmo" category. Speaking of products - I have a lot of respect for small manufacturers Like Dwyer, IdaSailor, and Boomkicker (and Sage Marine). They're run by hard-working folks with ideas and calluses. I'm sure these guys could make a lot more money by churning out fiberglass camper shells, or making some dopy widget for golfers. Instead, they've chosen to create a high quality product for a handful of us. Probably because they're sailors themselves. Having said that, I still reserve the right to be an opinionated bloviator. Jim M17 "Spirit" On Apr 25, 2010, at 5:54 PM, GILASAILR(a)aol.com wrote: > Jim, > > I think I see what you are referring to. The mast bracket > attachment is - > spreading the sail track and allowing the lower mount to come out > of the > mast?? I can't recall what shape piece is used for the nut inside > my track - > I seem to remember a piece of tapped aluminum rod maybe 1/2" in > diameter - > will have to check. > > I wonder if the mast section is of correct temper if the track > 'ears' were > bent apart by the forces of the fitting? > > What 'Dwyer' type section (I assume) is the one that is being used > or was > used on your boat or the most current? > > I have used the Boomkicker on my original Jerry Montgomery/MacG > style mast > extrusion and on my current Ballenger section - never had that > issue. The > newest mast is of harder temper (probably not the proper > terminology) but > the old one was T-3 and the new one is T-6 don't recall the alloy > numbers.They are the same. > > I don't understand why you would relegate the use of a Boomkicker to a > racing application? I have pretty much 'raced myself out' cept for > chasing > Jerry, Stan and Eldor around! Or Point to Point racing. > My reasoning for cruising usage is the same for racing - less > windage - > less weight aloft - less tangle when it comes to reefing or raising/ > lowering > sail. I find it a simple and elegant solution. > > Don't worry about "rephrasing". I can't write my way out of coffee > can and > so often come off as 1. - a smart ass. 2. Jerk. 3. Know it all. 4. > Effete > snob. I sometimes appear less than diplomatic but don't really > mean any > harm! It is that my writing skills suck! > > BTW - I do NOT make my living selling this stuff anymore - I am a > retired > MIP per USSailing. > > Take Care, Have Fun, Go Sailing! > > GO > > > > In a message dated 4/25/2010 10:14:50 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > picfo(a)comcast.net writes: > > Gary, > What I meant by "popping out" was that the slide clamp that sits > inside the mast groove would actually spring the mast open enough > to... well... "pop out" ( this was on their "0400 model"). Remember > that different M17 model years used different mast sections. What > works on a Jerry Montgomery era mast might not work on my 2007 model > mast. I'm not condemning the Boomkicker for this because I believe > they make different fittings that will resolve this issue. > > To the question; "What is the benefit of a track mount?" My answer > is a an assertive; "I dunno." If it's not too late, I'd like to > replace the phrase; "get the optional track mount." with; "get the > proper fitting for your mast." > > My point is this: If you do get a model 0400 Boomkicker and install > it on your late-model M17, be careful because the stock fitting may > spring your mast groove open and "pop out". If this happens I > recommend you talk to the Boomkicker people and discuss what fittings > they have that can resolve this issue. > > My overall opinion is that the Boomkicker is a well built product > and, if I raced on a regular basis, would definitely consider it > again. But, for my style of sailing a topping lift is simpler and > better. > > Gary, anytime someone gets on this list serve and criticizes a > product they should certainly be expected to describe the > circumstances and clarify their opinion. Thanks for the opportunity. > > Jim > M17 "Spirit" > > > On Apr 25, 2010, at 1:46 AM, GILASAILR(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Jim, >> >> I have been using a Boomkicker for about 13 years and never had an >> issue >> with the item being anything but reliable. >> >> I sounds like you may not have had enough 'preload' in your rods to >> keep it >> engaged. I find the product to be elegantly simple and reliable >> as a >> stick. What is the benefit of the track mount ? >> >> Best part of the Boomkicker- as I get a bit older (what did I do >> with >> that...?) the Boomkicker is at deck level if I forget to connect >> it- not at the >> masthead! >> >> I am a subscriber to K.I.S.S. and "stick and stone technology" when >> possible. >> >> GO >> >> PS to the list - I got to spend some quality time with Stan 'Paint >> Boy' >> Susman this afternoon and got to see the new yacht! Go Stan!!! >> >> In a message dated 4/23/2010 10:51:08 P.M. US Mountain Standard >> Time, >> picfo(a)comcast.net writes: >> >> If you do get a Boomkicker get the optional track mount. The slug >> fitting just pops out of the groove. They seem to be pretty well >> constructed otherwise. I still sent mine back after it popped >> out a >> few times (K.I.S.S.) >> >> Jim >> M-17 "Spirit" >> >> On Apr 23, 2010, at 7:33 PM, <htmills(a)zoominternet.net> >> <htmills(a)zoominternet.net> wrote: >> >>> Has anyone mentioned a boomkicker or similar (http:// >>> www.boomkicker.com/) as >>> another option? >>> >>> Depending on how the boat is used, it may prove to be a better >>> option (or >>> not) to a topping lift. >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com >>>> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On >>>> Behalf Of >>>> Gary M Hyde >>>> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 10:29 PM >>>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sage Marine >>>> >>>> Haul in the rear reef line as you lower the sail. Then you don't >>>> need >>>> the topping lift. I did it a lot on my M15. The topping lift >>>> might be >>>> better though. >>>> >>>> --Gary Hyde >>>> 2005 M17 #637 sailboat 'Hydeaway 2' >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 23, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Joe Murphy wrote: >>>> >>>>> I agree. I can't see in my minds eye how to reef without >>>>> securing >>>>> the >>>> toping lift first. If not, how do you keep the boom up when you >>>> drop >>>> the sail?? >>>>> Joe >>>>> M17 Seafrog >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: eisenee(a)aol.com >>>>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>>>> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 3:23 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sage Marine >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You still need that topping lift when reefing and shaking the >>>>> reef >>>> out. >>>>> Eldor >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: ndorf(a)surfbest.net >>>>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>>>> Sent: Thu, Apr 22, 2010 3:39 pm >>>>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sage Marine >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Plus, Sal, with a backstay you can do away with the need for a >>>>> opping lift if you have a spliced-off section to hook the >>>>> end of >>>>> the >>>>> oom onto just while setting up and taking down. >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>> ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ >>>>> montgomery_boats >>>>> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi- >>>> bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >>>>> >>>>> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ >>>>> montgomery_boats >>>>> >>>>> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ >>>> montgomery_boats >>>> >>>> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2814 - Release Date: >>>> 04/23/10 06:31:00 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ >>> montgomery_boats >>> >>> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ >> montgomery_boats >> >> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ >> montgomery_boats >> >> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: Another "Note to self" from today....
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 26 Apr '10

26 Apr '10

Ron, I guess I missed that you got Griselda going again. AWESOME! I remember seeing a post with a picture of her before you started working on her on the Montgomeryowners website. I'd love to see some shots of how she turned out. Where can I see some? Are some posted on the web somewhere? Where are you sailing her..if I remember correctly, are you somewhere in Texas?? Maybe the Texas 200 is in your future next year?! Sean M23 "Dauntless" _www.havasumontgomerys.piczo.com_ (http://www.havasumontgomerys.piczo.com)

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Bimini for M17
by Jim Wiliams 26 Apr '10

26 Apr '10

Thanks again to everyone who was so welcoming and helpful to a couple of "newbies" at Lake Havasu -- we've never met a nicer, more knowledgeable, and just plain fun group of people! We're in love with our new M17, and just came back from several days cruising Roosevelt Lake. Even in the cool spring weather, we found the Arizona sun punishing after hours on the water -- and its not even hot yet. We'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has added a bimini (pictures would be great) with any specs, tips, design considerations, etc. Thanks in advance for your input, Jim & Cynthia M17 Latitude

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M15 for sale in Nor Cal on Craigslist
by George Morrison 26 Apr '10

26 Apr '10

I already own a M15, so I can't use another. But this sure sounds like a good deal/quick sale! Plus it's very rare to see any M-Boats for sale! http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/boa/1042037932.html George "M" M15 319 San Jose, CA

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