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North Channel
by bownez＠juno.com 23 Nov '09

23 Nov '09

Hello Bill W., The North Channel was a 800 mile drive for me to join a group of Monty sailors in 2007. It is by far one of the loveliest sailing grounds I have ever seen. We went in June. Spanish Marina was less than half filled, and we encountered very few other boats in this pristine area. I want to return soon. Bones in Mpls ____________________________________________________________ Doctorate Degrees Online Boost your career with an online doctoral degree. Enroll today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=Oavh-iBLigb054qkaYDo3gAAJ1ApM…

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Re: M_Boats: North Channel
by eisenee＠aol.com 22 Nov '09

22 Nov '09

Tom Sounds good to me!! Eldor m17 Motu iti

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Destinations
by eisenee＠aol.com 21 Nov '09

21 Nov '09

I want to do it all, we have done the San Juans twice so probably won't do that again until after the Great Lakes , Florida Keys, then we'll think about San Diego and Catalina. We live in Ft. Worth so it's about the same distance anywhere we go. lets talk about this at Lake Havasu in Feb. Eldor M17 Motu iti

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Re: M_Boats: destinations
by ndorf＠surfbest.net 20 Nov '09

20 Nov '09

Tom thanks for your insight on Baja. Got me convinced...I'll stay state-side, especially since it's already a day's drive from Sacramento just to get to the border. I think if I do go someday it will be my volunteering as crew for another boat. I haven't had my M15 all that long and started out with day excursions this summer. Hope to do an abbreviated version of the San Juan islands within a year or two, but using Rosario as a hub so as to bed down in comfort. I could rough it the v-berth by my wife will have no part of that except for maybe 1 overnight max. I get up to Seattle about 4 times a year on business and someone told me also that there is a decent hotel near the marina in Kirkland so that one can stay there and sail around Lake Washington or even Lake Union. That sounds attractive also. I can remember a month or so just driving across the "floating bridge" and being blown away with just how scenic Mt. Rainier was in the background on that clear and only partially cloudy day. best, Neil

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Re: M_Boats: jacklines and lifelines.
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 20 Nov '09

20 Nov '09

ahhhhhh....see , the voice of an experienced Socal sailor, and how right he is....why beat when you can reach!!!

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Re: M_Boats: jacklines and lifelines.
by Jim Ellsworth 20 Nov '09

20 Nov '09

Sean, I like your plan, the only thing I would change is to go North to South instead of South to North. Jim E -----Original Message----- >From: Gary M Hyde <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> >Sent: Nov 20, 2009 12:17 PM >To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: Re: M_Boats: jacklines and lifelines. > >Sean: >I think you are wise in your thinking. And you stated things very well--very thought provoking. >⎈--Gary ☺ > > > > >On Nov 20, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Nebwest2(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Surely Sean with his big 23 mothership would be happy to lead a swarm >> down the coast. >> >> Well, Sean probably wouldn't be up for San Diego South, but I have >> thought of doing a little trip I was gonna call the "Coastal Hop". I figured I >> would take off as much time as I could gather...head for San Diego, launch >> there, and then see how far north along the coast I could get in two to three >> weeks with no set schedule hopping from port to port. Figured something >> like (the order may be off here as I'm not looking at a chart) San >> Diego-Oceanside-Dana Point-Newport-Long Beach-Catalina Island-Redondo Beach- Marina >> Del Rey-Oxnard- Ventura-Santa Cruz Island ....etc. Then, when just about >> out of time, Jump on Amtrack back down the coast to get the truck and >> trailer. Hmmmm, I wonder if Amtrack would let Bosun aboard...probably not. Looks >> like 1). we'd have to hitchhike or 2). I could probably ride him! It would >> be a fun trip. I doubt I'd get that far. I would want to do it at a relaxed >> pace and pick and choose the weather. It's always more difficult for Jo to >> get time off than me. This trip would allow her to jump aboard for >> whatever portion she wanted to ( I'm sure it would be the Catalina portion!) But >> that would certainly be the more likely trip for Dauntless. >> >> We have sailed in Mexico twice, never on the Pacific Coast, always in the >> Sea of Cortez out of San Carlos. It is a stunningly beautiful area for sure >> and for the most part the people that we met once below the border towns >> were very genuine and gracious. I have a dear friend that lives in San Carlos >> and sails an M-15 down there. I know that Jerry M has spoken very highly >> of cruising the Sea. For whatever reason, though, (and this is just my own >> mental problem) I am never "comfortable" when in Mexico and it tends to take >> some of the fun of it away for me. Possibly traveling with a group, >> especially if someone was along that was familiar with the region, language, >> customs, etc., I would feel more at ease. I am sure that these feelings are >> irrational as we never had one problem on the two trips we've made down there >> and the sailing has always been wonderful in the wintertime...sometimes a >> little "too wonderful" in the northers. I feel a bit exposed when traveling >> with my wife in Mexico. My perception is that as long as everything goes >> fine it's awesome, however, should there be the unfortunate situation arise >> involving a conflict with a Mexican National, you are not in such a good >> way. Not being able to carry a firearm while roaming the wide open spaces of >> Mexico makes me just a little uneasy as I am of the opinion that should you >> be unfortunate enough to meet someone that might like to avail themselves >> of your truck?, boat?, cash? or even worse yet, wife? they would be armed >> just fine. I'm really not into "bringing a knife to a gunfight"! hahaha. >> Seriously, though, the most important thing in my life, without exception, >> is that gal you all have come to know as 'Jo. I feel it's my job to always >> be in a position as much as possible to protect and defend her as much as I >> can. There are people in both the US, as well as Mexico that for whatever >> reason have chosen lives that basically prey on others. I realize that this >> is not strictly a "Mexican"problem...the difference for me is that here at >> home, I know the places to avoid, I speak the language, for the most part I >> trust our legal system, and I am afforded the rights to protect my family >> from others that may intend to do harm to us, up to and including lethal >> force if necessary. Not necessarily the case in Mexico as a US citizen. >> >> Does that mean that we'll never go to Mexico. No. Surely we will return. >> But, I think if we go down there again it will be in a group setting with >> others that are very familiar and experienced in traveling down there. And >> even then I know that I will feel "on guard" 100% of the time. It's too >> bad. I wish I could get past that, as many have, but my "doomsday" "half >> empty" "the sky is falling" personality just wont let me do it. >> >> So.....anyone want to go north?! ;-) >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: jacklines and lifelines.
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 20 Nov '09

20 Nov '09

Surely Sean with his big 23 mothership would be happy to lead a swarm down the coast. Well, Sean probably wouldn't be up for San Diego South, but I have thought of doing a little trip I was gonna call the "Coastal Hop". I figured I would take off as much time as I could gather...head for San Diego, launch there, and then see how far north along the coast I could get in two to three weeks with no set schedule hopping from port to port. Figured something like (the order may be off here as I'm not looking at a chart) San Diego-Oceanside-Dana Point-Newport-Long Beach-Catalina Island-Redondo Beach- Marina Del Rey-Oxnard- Ventura-Santa Cruz Island ....etc. Then, when just about out of time, Jump on Amtrack back down the coast to get the truck and trailer. Hmmmm, I wonder if Amtrack would let Bosun aboard...probably not. Looks like 1). we'd have to hitchhike or 2). I could probably ride him! It would be a fun trip. I doubt I'd get that far. I would want to do it at a relaxed pace and pick and choose the weather. It's always more difficult for Jo to get time off than me. This trip would allow her to jump aboard for whatever portion she wanted to ( I'm sure it would be the Catalina portion!) But that would certainly be the more likely trip for Dauntless. We have sailed in Mexico twice, never on the Pacific Coast, always in the Sea of Cortez out of San Carlos. It is a stunningly beautiful area for sure and for the most part the people that we met once below the border towns were very genuine and gracious. I have a dear friend that lives in San Carlos and sails an M-15 down there. I know that Jerry M has spoken very highly of cruising the Sea. For whatever reason, though, (and this is just my own mental problem) I am never "comfortable" when in Mexico and it tends to take some of the fun of it away for me. Possibly traveling with a group, especially if someone was along that was familiar with the region, language, customs, etc., I would feel more at ease. I am sure that these feelings are irrational as we never had one problem on the two trips we've made down there and the sailing has always been wonderful in the wintertime...sometimes a little "too wonderful" in the northers. I feel a bit exposed when traveling with my wife in Mexico. My perception is that as long as everything goes fine it's awesome, however, should there be the unfortunate situation arise involving a conflict with a Mexican National, you are not in such a good way. Not being able to carry a firearm while roaming the wide open spaces of Mexico makes me just a little uneasy as I am of the opinion that should you be unfortunate enough to meet someone that might like to avail themselves of your truck?, boat?, cash? or even worse yet, wife? they would be armed just fine. I'm really not into "bringing a knife to a gunfight"! hahaha. Seriously, though, the most important thing in my life, without exception, is that gal you all have come to know as 'Jo. I feel it's my job to always be in a position as much as possible to protect and defend her as much as I can. There are people in both the US, as well as Mexico that for whatever reason have chosen lives that basically prey on others. I realize that this is not strictly a "Mexican"problem...the difference for me is that here at home, I know the places to avoid, I speak the language, for the most part I trust our legal system, and I am afforded the rights to protect my family from others that may intend to do harm to us, up to and including lethal force if necessary. Not necessarily the case in Mexico as a US citizen. Does that mean that we'll never go to Mexico. No. Surely we will return. But, I think if we go down there again it will be in a group setting with others that are very familiar and experienced in traveling down there. And even then I know that I will feel "on guard" 100% of the time. It's too bad. I wish I could get past that, as many have, but my "doomsday" "half empty" "the sky is falling" personality just wont let me do it. So.....anyone want to go north?! ;-)

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Re: M_Boats: destinations
by ndorf＠surfbest.net 20 Nov '09

20 Nov '09

I have always been curious about San Felipe. Anybody ever cruise out of there? I remember hearing some years ago it was popular for people who sailed catamarans right off the beach, but what about keelboats and launch facilities? Are we talkin' the Mexican "Wild, Wild, West" along the lines of Sean's concerns, or is it more touristy or gentrified like Cabo? Cabo is the only place other than a 1/2 day in TJ--ugh--that I have been in Baja. I only ask because it looks like the shortest, most direct drive from the U.S. to the Gulf of Mexico. Thanks, Neil

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Re: M_Boats: jacklines and lifelines.
by Larry E Yake 19 Nov '09

19 Nov '09

>>By the way, has anyone sailed from San Diego to Cabo San Lucas in a 15 or 17? I did it in comfort in my Nor'Sea 27, but I think it would be so cool in a minimalist boat. Terry Nugent sailed from Monterey to Cabo in his custom made M15 "Eye of Infinity". This would have been around 1990. It was just to be the first part of a much larger trip, but life happens, and the rest of the cruise didn't. Larry

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Re: M_Boats: jacklines and lifelines.
by bownez＠juno.com 18 Nov '09

18 Nov '09

Hi Listers, Tod wrote: I've been aboard a 17 with lifelines and I personally consider them a serious safety *hazard* rather than a help on a 17 because they make it quite tricky to go forward without getting tangled in them, thanks to the narrow side decks. If I had a 17 with them, they would quickly come off. My 2 cents. I could not agree more. My M17 came with lifelines and after one season I removed them. Another issue: It's possible during some "anxious" moments in docking or boarding a lot of force will be put on a stanchion and flex the deck. My M17 deck was cracked in that location. For what it's worth. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Doctorate Degrees Online Boost your career with an online doctoral degree. Enroll today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=s8T1ZdfqDwyWItopwWqiBAAAJ1ApM…

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