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Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 54, Issue 11
by Carlos Albar-Diaz 21 Aug '07

21 Aug '07

Tom, I also have a newish Pacific trailer and experience with shallow angle ramps, like the one in Grand Lake, CO. Two things that made a difference (in addition to extending the tongue) were: a) block wheels, unhitch trailer, jack the nose up, tie nose to hitch ball with rope, move car forward to tighten rope, unlock wheels and and keep reversing with the trailer tied with the rope to the hitch ball (don't be concerned about ability to take the boat out of the water later, as the winch can pull the boat into the trailer) with someone pushing the boat back an dcontrolling which way it goes as ; or alternatively b) a hitch with a huge (and I mean huge) drop used to lift the ball and hence drop the back of the trailer. Good luck Carlos M-17 "Shrimpy" ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Tom Jenkins" <tjenk(a)gte.net> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:57:14 -0700 Subject: M_Boats: launching M17 Hello all, To my dismay, I can't sail my M17 where I live because subpar snowfall last winter has lowered water level close to the bottom of all decent launching ramps. The concave bunks on newer Pacific trailers evidently prevent the boat from floating off unless the water is 5' deep or more at the stern, even with a trailer extension. No problem on a good 14% or 15% standard ramp, but it would be nice to drop into some less developed spots where the boat will float but the trailer will not comply. It is nicer still to be able to pull one's boat out in the fall if the water drops during the summer (particularly if the lake freezes and there is 10' of snow). My question: has anyone experimented with launching and retrieving in substandard locations, either by fiddling with the trailer (reversing a drop hitch, blocking the wheels and jacking the tongue, etc.) or even modifying the trailer? Probably a trailer like my NS27 EZloader unit with four sets of tilting rollers could be devised, but it would be pricey. (We all like to spend money on our boats, right?) Thanks, Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla

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M 15 Battens
by John McMichaels 21 Aug '07

21 Aug '07

New owner of old M 15: I need advice on where to look for replacement battens for mainsail. Also, if any M 15 owners would like to share their opinions and photos on changes/improvements to M 15 rigging, I'd like to hear. Thanks. John McMichaels Chapel Hill, NC

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Re: M_Boats: M 15 Battens
by NummiJ＠aol.com 20 Aug '07

20 Aug '07

I went my local marina and they had some that would work, not a lot of chose from, but very handy and reasonable. Dale M17 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

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launching M17
by Tom Jenkins 20 Aug '07

20 Aug '07

Hello all, To my dismay, I can't sail my M17 where I live because subpar snowfall last winter has lowered water level close to the bottom of all decent launching ramps. The concave bunks on newer Pacific trailers evidently prevent the boat from floating off unless the water is 5' deep or more at the stern, even with a trailer extension. No problem on a good 14% or 15% standard ramp, but it would be nice to drop into some less developed spots where the boat will float but the trailer will not comply. It is nicer still to be able to pull one's boat out in the fall if the water drops during the summer (particularly if the lake freezes and there is 10' of snow). My question: has anyone experimented with launching and retrieving in substandard locations, either by fiddling with the trailer (reversing a drop hitch, blocking the wheels and jacking the tongue, etc.) or even modifying the trailer? Probably a trailer like my NS27 EZloader unit with four sets of tilting rollers could be devised, but it would be pricey. (We all like to spend money on our boats, right?) Thanks, Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla

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Vibration noise-M15
by Harry & Nancy 20 Aug '07

20 Aug '07

Thanks to Randy G.,Larry E.Yake, Arnold Sharpe, Gary M. Hyde& Blake Reimer for their helpful suggestions. I'll try them. Harry Elmslie

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Bob: USCG says Montgomery "out of business"
by Scott Simpson 18 Aug '07

18 Aug '07

Do we need to chat...again? Scott Simpson West of One 415. 513.5799 scott(a)westofone.com www.westofone.com

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Re:vibration noise
by Blake Reimer 17 Aug '07

17 Aug '07

Okay, this might be a wild shot, but you didn't say how fast you were going when you heard the vibration. Occasionally when surfing down a swell with a stiff breeze behind me, the hull will vibrate as I exceed hull speed - or at least I think that is what it is- somewhere around 5.5-6 knots. I suppose with a big enough motor,you could do the same thing? My lil' 2 horse gets me pretty close to hull speed, what would 5 do? montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. New Stuff on Havasumontgomerys.piczo.com (Nebwest2(a)aol.com) 2. Re: M15 vibration noise (Arnold Sharpe) 3. Main Sheet setup (Michael Mellor) 4. M 15 Battens (John McMichaels) 5. Re: Main Sheet setup (Arnold Sharpe) 6. Re: Main Sheet setup (William Larson) 7. Re: M 15 Battens (NummiJ(a)aol.com) 8. RE: M 15 Battens (William B. Riker) 9. Re: M15 vibration noise (Gary M Hyde) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:47:19 EDT From: Nebwest2(a)aol.com Subject: M_Boats: New Stuff on Havasumontgomerys.piczo.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I finally finished chronicling the San Juans 07 trip on our web site. If you are interested, there is a separate page for each leg of the trip, 6 in all. Between all the crews there was over 1000 photos! Thanks goes out to Randy Graves for compiling them all for us on a CD. I tried to take pics from each day to give folks that weren't there a feel for the trip. I'm hoping that some folks,after looking at the pics with descriptions,will get even a better feel for what a fantastic trip this is and plan on making it in 2009. There is a new home page when you enter the address. Just click on the "sailing and trips" photo and then on the "Montgomery San Juans 07" link. You can navigate between days of the trip at the bottom of each page by clicking the link to the day of the trip you'd like to see. At the top of each page is a link to click that will give you an aerial view of each leg of the trip. Hope you enjoy, send me feedback if you get a chance to _nebwest2(a)aol.com_ (mailto:nebwest2@aol.com) The new address is _www.havasumontgomerys.piczo.com_ (http://www.havasumontgomerys.piczo.com) Sean and 'Jo M23 Dauntless ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:23:12 -0700 From: Arnold Sharpe Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 vibration noise To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Message-ID: <925015a0a552d3c6b99c051c562a7715(a)mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I have the same situation with our M-17. I finally discovered that the top rudder pintel was worn and the source of the vibration. Perhaps that is your problem also. Kind Regards Arnold On Aug 15, 2007, at 11:51 AM, Harry & Nancy wrote: > Hi M15 owners: When motoring with my M15, there is a loud vibrating > noise{racket}. I've tried to locate its origin but no luck. Could it > be the centerboard rattling? Thanks for any clues. Harry Elmslie > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:29:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mellor Subject: M_Boats: Main Sheet setup To: Montgomery mail Message-ID: <30282984.1187353793830.JavaMail.root(a)mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I'm a new M17 owner and I have a question concerning the main sheet setup. I have the factory setup directly in front of the cabin. Reciently, sailing in 25 to 30 mph winds, several times I had a difficult time releasing my main sheet. Can someone explain the advantage of having the factory setup over a conventional stern, end of boom setup. After my last sailing experiance I'm considering changing my main sheet location. Is there any good reason I shouldn't?? Michael Mellor Eugene OR ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:49:18 -0400 From: "John McMichaels" Subject: M_Boats: M 15 Battens To: Message-ID: <000a01c7e0dd$ca491590$6501a8c0@Dell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" New owner of old M 15: I need advice on where to look for replacement battens for mainsail. Also, if any M 15 owners would like to share their opinions and photos on changes/improvements to M 15 rigging, I'd like to hear. Thanks. John McMichaels Chapel Hill, NC ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:35:29 -0700 From: Arnold Sharpe Subject: Re: M_Boats: Main Sheet setup To: Michael Mellor , For and about Montgomery Sailboats Message-ID: <64d2585f39a946f6fbc70e10dc86d332(a)mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Michael, Where are you finding 25-30 winds...at Fern Ridge? Our M-17 is at Fern Ridge and is recently new to us (we have sailed her about 6-8 times) but like how she handles. It is and older model but the main sheet set up works pretty well ( it is on a traveler about one foot astern of the companion way on the cockpit sole). When we bought the boat it came with a "boom Kicker" as well as a vang (which I found redundant because of the location of the main sheet). If you move the mainsheet to the end of the boom then you will want to consider a boom vang especially on reaches and runs. I have had bigger boats with both arrangements and don't see any particular advantages either way with the exception that our present main sheet arrangement is inconvenient from a cabin access perspective. Our M-17, "Little Breeze", is at Orchard Point, slip 61. Feel free to look at my arrgt. or let me know when you would like to inspect it. We live in Brownsville but are at the boat often. Regards..Arnold Sharpe On Aug 17, 2007, at 5:29 AM, Michael Mellor wrote: > I'm a new M17 owner and I have a question concerning the main sheet > setup. I have the factory setup directly in front of the cabin. > Reciently, sailing in 25 to 30 mph winds, several times I had a > difficult time releasing my main sheet. Can someone explain the > advantage of having the factory setup over a conventional stern, end > of boom setup. After my last sailing experiance I'm considering > changing my main sheet location. Is there any good reason I > shouldn't?? > > Michael Mellor > Eugene OR > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:49:15 -0700 (PDT) From: William Larson Subject: Re: M_Boats: Main Sheet setup To: Michael Mellor , For and about Montgomery Sailboats Message-ID: <427683.68993.qm(a)web82904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Michael: The factory main sheet set up helps with the sail shape especially sailing downwind. I haven't noticed any difficulties releasing the main sheet in a blow. ??? Bill Larson, M17 "JoEllen" Michael Mellor wrote: I'm a new M17 owner and I have a question concerning the main sheet setup. I have the factory setup directly in front of the cabin. Reciently, sailing in 25 to 30 mph winds, several times I had a difficult time releasing my main sheet. Can someone explain the advantage of having the factory setup over a conventional stern, end of boom setup. After my last sailing experiance I'm considering changing my main sheet location. Is there any good reason I shouldn't?? Michael Mellor Eugene OR ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:13:07 EDT From: NummiJ(a)aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: M 15 Battens To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I went my local marina and they had some that would work, not a lot of chose from, but very handy and reasonable. Dale M17 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:28:19 -0600 From: "William B. Riker" Subject: RE: M_Boats: M 15 Battens To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You can always try the local lumber yard. Get some small lattice, cut to size and sand smooth. Some years ago a friend invited me to accompany him to the Chesapeake for the weekend on his Morgan 32. Got there and found we had not battens. I'm not a great DIYer, but was able to make some in about an hour. May have had to spend a couple of bucks on a coping saw and sand paper. Bill Riker M15 - #184 Storm Petrel -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of NummiJ(a)aol.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 1:13 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: M 15 Battens I went my local marina and they had some that would work, not a lot of chose from, but very handy and reasonable. Dale M17 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:12:58 -0700 From: Gary M Hyde Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 vibration noise To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed If the pintles/gudgeons are rattling (and mine do sometimes), one solution is to steer the motor slightly to one side, and then compensate by steering with the rudder the other way in order to go straight. That puts a little more tension on the pintles/gudgeons and may stop the rattling. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. On Aug 16, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Larry E Yake wrote: > Couple more things you could check are the cockpit hatches and the > pintles/gudgeons. I have one hatch cover that I have to sit on while > motoring or it rattles a bit at certain RPM's, but the worst was > the old > gudgeons and pintles before I replaced them. They were worn and > sloppy. > Made a lot or racket with the old 2 cycle I used at that time. > > Larry > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:01:55 -0700 RandyG > writes: >> Harry, >> >> I'm trying to think what could rattle on an M15 while motoring. One >> thing you could do to check the centerboard would be to raise or >> lower it and see if the noise changes. Also, you could pull up on >> the centerboard pendent with a steady pressure and hold it there, >> and see if the noise changes. It is normal for the centerboard to >> have some play in the centerboard cavity. Pulling up on the pendent >> would take-out most of the play. >> >> On our M15 I recall the adjustable motor mount and boarding ladder >> also had some rattle to them. It seems like the vibration of the >> outboard at low engine speeds (especially a 4-stroke) would rattle >> most anything rattleable. I often raise or lower the motor speed >> slightly to take out some of the vibration echoing through the >> boat. >> >> Randy G. >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: >> montgomery_boats-bounces+randyg=cite.nic.edu(a)mailman.xmission.com >> [montgomery_boats-bounces+randyg=cite.nic.edu(a)mailman.xmission.com] >> On Behalf Of Harry & Nancy [nanarry(a)shaw.ca] >> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:51 AM >> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> Subject: M_Boats: M15 vibration noise >> >> Hi M15 owners: When motoring with my M15, there is a loud vibrating >> noise{racket}. I've tried to locate its origin but no luck. Could it >> be the centerboard rattling? Thanks for any clues. Harry Elmslie >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 54, Issue 9 ***********************************************

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Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 54, Issue 9
by Flickasf＠aol.com 17 Aug '07

17 Aug '07

battens- I would suggest fiberglass battens instead of wood. Bert Felton ex owner of M 15 #280 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

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Re: M_Boats: M 15 Battens
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 17 Aug '07

17 Aug '07

If you use wood for battens - do yourself a favor and wrap them from end to end in waterproof tape. A broken wood batten has been the cause of tearing out the side of MANY a batten pocket back in the days when ash was used for battens. After you make the wood ones to get you going - take the measurements of the new battens (they fit properly) and send those dimensions to your favorite sailmaker having them send you some tapered fiberglass battens. OOOOOOHHHH yeah tapered smooth battens! Keep the wood ones as spares - although they warp quite easily. Take Care, Have Fun, Go Sailing Gary O. M-17 #316a the 'two toned' one at Sean's Site Team Geezer Racing.....Old and in the Way ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

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Re: M_Boats: M15 vibration noise
by Larry E Yake 17 Aug '07

17 Aug '07

Couple more things you could check are the cockpit hatches and the pintles/gudgeons. I have one hatch cover that I have to sit on while motoring or it rattles a bit at certain RPM's, but the worst was the old gudgeons and pintles before I replaced them. They were worn and sloppy. Made a lot or racket with the old 2 cycle I used at that time. Larry On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:01:55 -0700 RandyG <RandyG(a)cite.nic.edu> writes: > Harry, > > I'm trying to think what could rattle on an M15 while motoring. One > thing you could do to check the centerboard would be to raise or > lower it and see if the noise changes. Also, you could pull up on > the centerboard pendent with a steady pressure and hold it there, > and see if the noise changes. It is normal for the centerboard to > have some play in the centerboard cavity. Pulling up on the pendent > would take-out most of the play. > > On our M15 I recall the adjustable motor mount and boarding ladder > also had some rattle to them. It seems like the vibration of the > outboard at low engine speeds (especially a 4-stroke) would rattle > most anything rattleable. I often raise or lower the motor speed > slightly to take out some of the vibration echoing through the > boat. > > Randy G. > > ________________________________________ > From: > montgomery_boats-bounces+randyg=cite.nic.edu(a)mailman.xmission.com > [montgomery_boats-bounces+randyg=cite.nic.edu(a)mailman.xmission.com] > On Behalf Of Harry & Nancy [nanarry(a)shaw.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:51 AM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: M_Boats: M15 vibration noise > > Hi M15 owners: When motoring with my M15, there is a loud vibrating > noise{racket}. I've tried to locate its origin but no luck. Could it > be the centerboard rattling? Thanks for any clues. Harry Elmslie > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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