October 2007 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

making cockpit tents/enclosures
by Flickasf＠aol.com 28 Oct '07

28 Oct '07

I have made 4 cockpit covers and 2 dodgers for my boats over the years, including for my previously owned M 15. I have the following suggestions to make it easier. (I have trouble working with patterns, but if you don't, it is a great way to go as previously suggested.) 1. This can be done on any sewing machine with a # 18 needle. Although a machine, like those sold by Sail Rite make it easier. 2. Lay your material, the one you are going to use for your finished product, over the boom. 3. Clip it together where the longitudinal seams will go with spring clamps. (The seams should run port to starboard.) Leave material under the seams to sew it together.) 4. Using a stapler, staple the bottom edges where you want them. 5. When you go home, you can cut the extra material off and then sew. Pull the staples out as you are sewing. 6. For tie downs, make sure you use spur grommets. They won't tear the material in heavy winds. 7. Once you completed the basic "tent" , go to work at the front and back. (You can even get fancy and install "windows" and then make window covers for them.) Note: make sure you can easily enter enclosure from the inside, outside, dock, etc. 8. Again, use the clamps to set the material, and then use a stapler. 9. If the material bunches up because of curves, etc., staple in darts. I highly recommend The Complete Canvasworker's Guide by Jim Grant. I found it very helpful. I hope this makes sense. Bert Felton M 15,#365 Zephyr ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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name change
by Flickasf＠aol.com 27 Oct '07

27 Oct '07

I decided not to name my M 15 Bella because there is already one on the list. So I have chosen the name Zephyr. Bert Felton M 15 #365 Zephyr ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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Re: M_Boats: name change
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 27 Oct '07

27 Oct '07

That is a GREAT name! GO ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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Re: M_Boats: Sailing in the San Juans
by Larry E Yake 26 Oct '07

26 Oct '07

On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:13:24 -0700 (PDT) judy casino <jratesq(a)yahoo.com> writes: > Hi Group, > My wife and I are considering a trip to the San Juan > Islands in Washington State with our M15 and would > appreciate any info on sailing and launch ramp > availability in the islands. > Thanks, > Ron Casino, M15 "Spirit" Hey, I think I can answer this one! How many pages do you want, Ron? We've had a Montgomery rendezvous in the islands the last 4 years and there's quite a few sailors on the list that could give you tips on sailing there. I believe there's a trip report on two on the MSOG website that tells about our cruises. We're skipping 2008 (or at least I won't be organizing it), but if you want to wait a year we'll be getting together again in 2009. We've always launched in Anacortes. They have a lift there for a reasonable fee so you don't have to put your trailer in salt water, good long term parking, a nice marina, and all the facilities you might need within walking distance in the town. From there it's just a 2 or 3 hour sail out the Guemes channel, across the Rosario Strait, and into the islands. I won't even try to cover all your options there! Great anchorages, nice marinas, beautiful hikes and sunsets, seals, eagles, orcas, ..... If you have more specific questions feel free to ask me off line, or get ideas from more of the group. Depending on the time of year, be prepared to motor up to half the time (if you're trying to reach a specific location). The winds can be erratic due to the islands themselves blocking and channeling the winds. If you haven't yet, I would recommend getting a good cruising guide to the area, like "Gunkholing in the San Juan Islands" or the "Dreamspeaker" guide. You'll definitely want a Canadian Current Atlas and the corresponding Washburnes Tables to show the strength and direction of the tidal currents for every hour of the day. Plan your route by the currents, not the wind. They're more dependable. Larry

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Sailing in the San Juans
by judy casino 25 Oct '07

25 Oct '07

Hi Group, My wife and I are considering a trip to the San Juan Islands in Washington State with our M15 and would appreciate any info on sailing and launch ramp availability in the islands. Thanks, Ron Casino, M15 "Spirit" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Cockpit or boom tent sources for M17
by Smith, Stacy D 25 Oct '07

25 Oct '07

Does anyone have a source for a good quality cockpit tent for an M17? Would like to make use of that area for overnighting...should the boat ever get delivered. Anyone using one? Issues, suggestions? Also, we will be doing the bottom primer and paint. Any recommendations, experience with the Interlux products for salt water? Stacy Smith

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Re: M_Boats: Sailing 2040...
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 25 Oct '07

25 Oct '07

In a message dated 10/25/2007 6:48:53 AM US Mountain Standard Time, tim(a)timtone.com writes: http://www.designnobis.com/index.html Where's the 'wrinkles'? ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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Re: M-17 leak
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 25 Oct '07

25 Oct '07

I've experienced the same thing as Tim on both my old M-17 and on Dauntless. When you really start pushing the boat through some chop or swell, if you go below, you can here the keel trunk "breathing through the pendant hole. Tim's description of it as a "blowhole" is spot-on, cause when she "exhales" (when the water is forced back up the trunk) a small blast of water and air is pushed through the pendant hole. Not sure of anything that can be done about it except let it dry out later on, and it's nice to have the peac of mind that you know where the heck that water came from! Oh yeah,...for what it's worth.. Gary O. took Gary V's suggestion of checking weather underground for wind speeds for the day I stated 30+ knots. Needles Ca would be the closest station near the water to where we were, about 15 miles north of us....26 to 36 mph is what they were reporting and that still is not on the open water. _http://www.weatherunderground.com/history/airport/KEED/2007/10/21/DailyHis… (http://www.weatherunderground.com/history/airport/KEED/2007/10/21/DailyHist… eq_city=Lake+Havasu+City&req_state=AZ&req_statename=Arizona) I can't even tell you how much I enjoyed that sail. It's an amazing thing how the set-up of the boat can take conditions from frightful to fun. Had we not had a second reef point, or a "glad bag" sized stout jib it would not have been possible. I'm a firm believer that every time you push yourself just a little beyond you comfort zone ( not crazy now, just a little bit at a time) you benefit immensely by making your regular sailing more enjoyable knowing how the boat will react and how to set her up should things begin to deteriorate weather wise. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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This is Frenchy and I sailing at Sean and Jo's Lake -Not 30kts ----yet.
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 25 Oct '07

25 Oct '07

_Click here: Flickr Photo Download: flop 018_ (http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1681296893&size=o&context=set-72157…) Folks, What 'we' did last weekend. Scott 'Frenchy' sailing my M-17 -Looks Bad/ Goes Fine! - at the recent "Lake Havasu Ran Tan for Wrinkle Boats and all other Sailcraft" The wind speed is unknown at this time but the drink was Dos Equis and Tecate, snacks were Bleu Cheese and ham rolls in 'Secret Sauce'. No cigars were present. M-222, M-26, C-25, WWP 19, M-23 and this thing were present. It did blow just shy of 60 mph that night and no one stayed on the lake for giggles. I just can't see why not?? The following morning we pulled this boat out of the water, de rigged and went sailing on Dauntless at approx, 11:30 till 13.15. It was breezy. I recall (and checked at weatherunderground 'History') it was blowing 26-36 mph and gusts 36.8- 43.7 mph. The boat was a very well behaved lady, plenty of drive - the driver, "Frenchy King o the Goats"commented on the almost perfectly neutral helm,and a VERY comfortable motion for the roller/chop that was present. I did not steer. (PS - watching these videos is like watching a Frank Sinatra performance on YouTube - just LIKE you were there huh??? yeah!) On the way back to the marina we sailed at approx. 70 dgrees to the waves - waddled back to the corner, made the turn North and upon arriving in Thompson Bay at the mouth of the London Bridge Channel and Marina entrance it was blowing even harder - blasting the tops of the waves off into mist, 1+ foot whitecaps immediately off the beach at the Bridge Channel -wind out of the North!, Coots were donning scuba gear, wood ducks screaming for mercy! I swear - I was there. No beer or tequila was consumed on this sail. The facts have not been clouded. If Sean and Jo do this again, I am going to show up for a good time again! I can't wait till the February 2008 evevnt! See havasumontgomerys - Poker for the challenged or something like that. Take Care,Have Fun,Go Sailing GaryO (no beauty here) M-17 #316a (I "stole' the sails) Team Geezer Racing - Old and In the Way Arizona Sailing Squadron Why do they call them Storm Jibs - I call em Fun Jibs! ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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Re: M-17 leak
by Chad Parrish 25 Oct '07

25 Oct '07

Hello everyone and thanks for the suggestions and advice. Gary, I am starting to wonder if perhaps I was taking water occasionally through the pendant hole and just didn't notice. I did get quite a splash through it when I raised the centerboard the last time we were out. I will probably finish the previous owner's cut around the base of the centerboard trunk and using some thickened epoxy and fiberglass just re-enforce the joint. I at least feel better knowing what was under the caulk that the previous owner had layed down. I checked under the boat this morning after pouring 5 gallons of water into it and none seemed to have leaked out. I sucked the water out this morning with the shop vac and it looks like I was able to recover all 5 gallons so at leas I don't think the water is still trapped somewhere in the boat. That would be bad since my pole barn is not heated and it is about to get really cold in MN. So I at least have the piece of mind knowing that at least that part of the boat is waterproof. Bones, I plan on removing the centerboard in the next couple of weeks, the pendant looks relatively new and the centerboard looks recently painted, but I think I would like to get a layer of epoxy on it, besides it gives me something else to do since we can't be out on the water. Has anyone ever installed an access hatch in the keel trunk? It would sure make future pendant replacements a lot easier and give better access to assess the centerboard's condition. Regards, Chad On Oct 24, 2007, at 11:03 PM, GILASAILR(a)aol.com wrote: > Chad, > My name is Gary Oberbeck, I own a M-17 #316 and have (for years) > had a small amount of water in the area below the cabin sole. On my > boat, I believe it comes in from the hull deck joint and a small > amount from the CB pennant hole at the top of the trunk, we have > cut a small hole into the cabin sole to check for condition and it > seems to stay drier witht the added ventilation. > I have on occasion vacuumed the area with a shop vac -good results. > I am in the process of chasing down the exact cause, but I was > reminded again this last weekend while sailing at Lake Havasu, the > CB pennant hole in the trunk allows a fair amount of water into the > boat - especially in waves or chop conditions. > A friend of mine cut the cabin sole out of his boat, ground the > surfaces clean and 'buttered' the two surfaces with thickened epoxy > and set the sole back in place with weights in place to hold while > epoxy cured. This will at least remove the void below the cabin > sole and make any water more quickly evident. as you have filled a > part of the bilge > There is a good article in the archives about someone installing > access to the bilge at the area you describe on your boat - I think > he installed the equivalent of garboard drains he had custom > machined for the application. I will try and find the article - > included pictures. > Good Luck. Keep us informed. > Feel free to ask any other questions as they arise. > > Take Care, Have Fun, Go Sailing > Gary O. > M-17 #316a > > Team Geezer Racing.....Old and in the Way > Arizona Sailing Squadron > > > > See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.

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