April 2005 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

RE: bottom and topside paint
by Tom Smith 30 Apr '05

30 Apr '05

I've stripped the crumby bottom paint of the M17 over the winter, and now I'm thining the topside needs to be freshen up as well (the deck is next winter's project, along with filling, re-drilling etc.). I plan to use VC High Performance Epoxy on the bottom, but don't know exactly what to use above the waterline. I've looked at the specs on Interlux Perfection, and it looks good (and reports have been good on the M list too). It looks like there's special paint for waterlines too. I hear that if you don't keep the boat in the water, you can use almost anything for that. Any opinions? Thanks. t Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M15/345--Chukar M17/064--Unamed

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M-15 For Sale
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 29 Apr '05

29 Apr '05

1988 MONTGOMERY 15' $5,000 obo. Excellent condition, Collectors, 2 sets of Hogin sails, 2.5 hp air-cooled Suzuki, new cushions, lines lead aft, boarding ladder, bow pulpit/anchor roller. Excellent trailer w/ bearing buddies, spare tire. Chad (360) 265-8889 chadnwa98337(a)excite.com Found under classifieds in 48 North... http://www.48north.com/classads/boats1.htm

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Sailing
by Craig F. Honshell 29 Apr '05

29 Apr '05

Well ... The M23 or the NS27 are always singing their siren songs ... ----- Original Message ----- From: Gilbert Landin To: 'Craig F. Honshell' ; 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:23 PM Subject: Sailing I will. It will be Pacific Seacraft 24 to 34 depending on which lottery I win. In the mean time 20 knot winds eeeeeehhhhhaaaa gilbert -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+gilbert=mindgame.com(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+gilbert=mindgame.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Craig F. Honshell Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 8:17 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Sailing That's my idea of "the cruising life", and the reason I'll probably never own a boat over 20'! ----- Original Message ----- From: chbenneck(a)juno.com To: chonshell(a)ia4u.net ; montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:08 PM Subject: Sailing Hi Craig, Having kayaked and canoed on Lake George pre WWII, we thought it would be fun to go check it out and go sailing there with the M15. As we drove up the west side of the lake looking for ramps and marinas, it was a very depressing sight. Hardly a mast to be seen at any marina, just wall to wall motorboats, so we decided Lake George is not for sailors, ..........onward to Lake Champlain, which by now was "home"............... Moosehead Lake in Maine was a delightful sailing spot. Every bit as nice as Lake Champlain, but, a lot further drive to reach it. Maybe that is what we sailors will all have to do in the future, if we want our peace and quiet while sailing. When we got to Moosehead Lake and got settled in a small cabin, the next morning it was blowing 30 knots. No weather for us. So, instead of sailing we drove to Quebec, and spent a day wandering around that lovely town. The rest of our time at Moosehead, we had wonderful sailing; gentle breezes; nice broad reaches back and forth across the lake; thoroughly delightful. The only negative was the travel time from the Hartford, CT area to Moosehead, vs. the travel time to get to Lake Champlain - a lot less. So, once was enough for us in that direction. Connie _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: roller furling
by Larry E Yake 28 Apr '05

28 Apr '05

I have the FF2, just because the bearings seemed like a good idea. Love it. Either one would work. Larry On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:46:02 -0500 "Gilbert Landin" <gilbert(a)mindgame.com> writes: > CDI roller furler for M-17 FF1 or FF2? > > gilbert > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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Sailing
by Craig F. Honshell 28 Apr '05

28 Apr '05

Me, too. You have a gift for expression, Connie. I forwarded your description to my wife, a self-described "sail babe", which means she's not a sailor, but likes to go along for the ride. It looks like that area has a lot to offer us both. It occurs to me that your post is a good start for a "Places to Sail" article in the SCA. What do you think? Cheers Steve Tyree In a message dated 4/27/2005 8:08:11 PM Central Standard Time, chonshell(a)ia4u.net writes: You have me talked into Lake Champlain, Connie ... --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: chbenneck(a)juno.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:15 PM Subject: Sailing Hi Craig, You pose the classic question to a child in the Baskin-Robbins ice cream store, that has 55 varieties of ice cream, - which flavor do you like? The obvious answer is all................... All sailing is good; some is better than others on any particular day; and some can be downright miserable, until you are in a snug harbor, the hook is down; you've combed the salt crystals out of your eyebrows after a hard passage, built a Martini, and dinner is soon to be served, in your now quiet and safe little world.

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Re: M_Boats: Sailing
by chbenneck＠juno.com 28 Apr '05

28 Apr '05

Hi Craig, Having kayaked and canoed on Lake George pre WWII, we thought it would be fun to go check it out and go sailing there with the M15. As we drove up the west side of the lake looking for ramps and marinas, it was a very depressing sight. Hardly a mast to be seen at any marina, just wall to wall motorboats, so we decided Lake George is not for sailors, ..........onward to Lake Champlain, which by now was "home"............... Moosehead Lake in Maine was a delightful sailing spot. Every bit as nice as Lake Champlain, but, a lot further drive to reach it. Maybe that is what we sailors will all have to do in the future, if we want our peace and quiet while sailing. When we got to Moosehead Lake and got settled in a small cabin, the next morning it was blowing 30 knots. No weather for us. So, instead of sailing we drove to Quebec, and spent a day wandering around that lovely town. The rest of our time at Moosehead, we had wonderful sailing; gentle breezes; nice broad reaches back and forth across the lake; thoroughly delightful. The only negative was the travel time from the Hartford, CT area to Moosehead, vs. the travel time to get to Lake Champlain - a lot less. So, once was enough for us in that direction. Connie

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Re: M_Boats: New optional folding rudder option for Montgomery 17's
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 28 Apr '05

28 Apr '05

In a message dated 4/28/2005 11:23:24 AM Central Standard Time, Bobeeg(a)earthlink.net writes: Resin is now at $605 a drum....!!!!!.....OUCH! Look for a price increase. Also bought another 3200#'s of lead.....cranking away at boats... That's a lot of resin. How many drums make a boat, Bob? Cheers, Steve Tyree

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M17 Transom Shape
by Glen Pollard 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

Hello, I have just joined this discussion group and this is my first post. Â I live in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada and sail on Lake Winnipeg which is the worlds 10th largest freshwater lake and is 264 miles long and 20-30 miles wide. Â My current boat, a 12Ft Tumbleweed, keeps me pretty close to home port so I am loking for a larger boat to extend my horizons. After much research I have concluded that an M17 fits my requirements. I have found several for sale in Minnesota and Wisconsen that are from the late 70s. I have noticed that some of the boats have the outboard mounted directly on the transom and others require a motor mount. Does anyone know if the transom mount with its cutout was specific to a particular year of manufacture. Also has anyone had experience with this model. I was wondering how succeptable this style is to taking on water over the stern. Â Thanks for your replies.

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Re: M_Boats: Sailing
by chbenneck＠juno.com 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

Hi Craig, You pose the classic question to a child in the Baskin-Robbins ice cream store, that has 55 varieties of ice cream, - which flavor do you like? The obvious answer is all................... All sailing is good; some is better than others on any particular day; and some can be downright miserable, until you are in a snug harbor, the hook is down; you've combed the salt crystals out of your eyebrows after a hard passage, built a Martini, and dinner is soon to be served, in your now quiet and safe little world. Lake Champlain lies between Vermont and New York State and is 136 miles long - from the Canadian border to the start of the canal that takes you to Troy, NY and the Hudson River. It has the Adirondacks on one side off in the distance, and the Green Mountains of Vermont on the other side. Beautiful scenery; beautiful lake. The area is pastoral, with a low density of population. Burlington, Vermont is the largest city on the lake, all the other remaining towns are quite small. We stay at a B&B in Essex, NY, and have the M15 at the Essex Marina that has a small steep dirt ramp directly in the marina. In the past we drove to Willsboro, where NY State has a wide paved and very lovely ramp, at the bottom end of Willsboro Bay; we'd launched there and then sailed out of Willsboro Bay and back down the lake to Essex, for a very pleasant 15 mile sail. But, .........now the car and trailer are in Willsboro, you and the boat are at Essex Marina, and you have to retrieve the car. The previous B&B owners would act as taxi and take us back to Willsboro to retrieve the car. That's when I decided to try the Essex Marina ramp. The steep hill from the road to the Marina makes you swallow twice the first time you see it. The first time I hauled at the Marina (bad weather, so sailing back to Willsboro, was out of the question); I asked the B&B owner to haul me out with his Ford pickup truck. The next time, using my VW GOLF GTI, I found that the GTI, after getting a running start in the Marina parking area would haul the M15 up the steep hill in first gear without a problem. Courage gained! After that, I just used the Essex Marina ramp and simplified life. Trailer was parked in a back corner; we had our car for returning to the B&B and for going out to dinner in the evenings. Sailing on Lake Champlain is mostly a small boater's dream paradise. The mornings are flat calm till about 10 AM when the morning breeze starts to pick up. That's when I go out rowing for an hour or two in the NYMPH. By noon it is gently blowing about 10 knots, and you have a constant wind till about 6 to 7 PM when it starts to taper off to a the evening calm again. The water is very clear, and most people with cottages on the lake just have a pipe extending into the lake which supplies their drinking water. The lake is home to lots and lots of sailboats. A large number are owned by Canadians from the Montreal area. Friday late afternoon they arrive and all of a sudden you have to be able to speak French to get along! The Canadian boats range from about 25 footers up to about 50 footers, and on weekends the lake is covered with clouds of sails heading in all directions. There are very few powerboats, and the few that you do see are generally trawler types doing about 10 knots and hardly making a wake. These tend to be people who are making the circuit: up the Hudson River to Troy, NY; then through the New York State Barge Canal to Rochester. Rochester to Toronto, Canada, then down the St. Lawrence to Montreal; up the river connecting Lake Champlain to the St. Lawrence; down through Lake Champlain and the canal, back to the Hudson River. The remaining powerboats are fishermen with an outboard trolling for fish. Sunday evening the Canadians all head back home, and from Monday to Friday, it's all yours! Gorgeous place. Of course, the winds can pipe up, and do, on occasion, so that is the day to visit Lake Placid or Ausable Chasm, or if it dares to rain during your vacation, you can take the ferry from Essex to Vermont and visit Burlington, or visit Plattsburg, NY. In Essex there is summer theater (if your timing is right), antique stores, Tag Sales, and other entertainment. So how does this compare with ocean sailing? For an M15 it's a small ocean, but you can cross the ocean in hours not in days or weeks. Lake sailing has an added advantage, no tides to worry about (21 foot tides in the English Channel! 3 foot tides in Connecticut; 6 foot tides north of Cape Cod) It's full of peace and quiet, which is why I go sailing.......... Of course, when I reach the other side of the ocean, the Vermont side, I do miss the Duty Free stores, with cheap Chanel No.5, Single Malt Scotch, and cases of Heinekens beer! I guess you can't have everything. But having 95% is mighty nice! Connie

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Re: M_Boats: M17 Transom Shape
by Woodsybill＠aol.com 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

This is my contribution to the transom cut out dialog. I have a 1975 (#55) M17 with transom cut out. I've used both 6 hp 2 cycle Johnson and 5 hp 4 cycle Nissan, both long (20") shafts. Both can be tipped so as to be completely out of water. Disadvanage with both is that they can not be turned sharply in one direction ( throttle handle to port) because of throttle handle in horizontal postion which is restricted by side of cutout. However, no big problem since turning is with rudder anyway. If I have to turn motor then I place throttle handle in vertical position ( throttle control works in both positions) and turn motor with carrying handle. This is only when I have removed rudder (in shallows) and attempt to turn only with motor which can be really sloppy. I've never had water coming over cut out probably because I've never experienced really hairy situations. So my two-bits worth, Bill K Half Monty

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