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Re: M_Boats: Storm jib measurement
by Saltm17＠aol.com 14 Dec '04

14 Dec '04

I have a 30% (?) jib that is reefable. If I can get the measurements for the storm jib, I can compare the two and decide if what I have is satisfactory. Hope everyone had a great Christmas and New Year and have lots of fun planning cruises over the holidays. John Edwards

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Re: M_Boats: Storm jib measurement
by bownez＠juno.com 13 Dec '04

13 Dec '04

HI John, Do you have a reef point in the present jib you are flying? How has that worked out? I considered a storm jib for my M17 as well, but, in practice, have never really needed one. On the other hand, Dick Lane's M23 came with a Pineapple storm jib, which I have used many times. It's 6.8 oz material if memory serves. Happy Holidays M-boaters and Jerry and Bob! Bones ________________________________________________________________ Juno Gift Certificates Give the gift of Internet access this holiday season. http://www.juno.com/give

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Storm jib measurement
by Saltm17＠aol.com 13 Dec '04

13 Dec '04

Jerry or Bob, do you have the measurements for a true storm jib for the M17. I couldn;t fine them on the MSOG site. Thanks John

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Re: M_Boats: Does a loose footed main sail perform better
by JazzYachts＠aol.com 13 Dec '04

13 Dec '04

In a message dated 12/13/04 4:43:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, dougl20002001(a)yahoo.com writes: > Now for this year a new Jib! Can I expect > similar results? Gosh, definitely. Sometimes even more than a new mainsail. With plenty of halyard tension and the sheet leads in the right place, a good jib can turbocharge performance. Serious racers go through jibs like racecars go through tires. Cruisers can expect good performance for five to ten years of active sailing. >From my racing days I had a guest room full of barely-used Windmill Class jibs. They were similar so I put one of those on my M-15 and ordered a new mainsail from Ulmer-Kolius (with a full-length top batten and a loose foot). As has been written, I thought my M-15 was pretty fast. I've also been accused, with merit, of being tweaky about my sailboats. Cheers, John

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Does a loose footed main sail perform better than a bolted main?
by nbundek 13 Dec '04

13 Dec '04

My recent request about an M15 main sail was answered by Doug, he purchased a new "loose footed" main and had in increase in performance. Has anyone else experienced this? What is the advantage of a bolted main which seems what most have? Norm #172

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Re: M_Boats: Nav lights at top of mast
by David Thomason 12 Dec '04

12 Dec '04

I got an early Christmas present yesterday when UPS delivered "Sailboat Electrics Simplified" by Don Casey. I've only skimmed through it so far, but it looks OK. He does a good job on Ohm's law without resort to algebra. If I remember anything about math, it's how to solve a 1st degree equation, but he gives a couple good methods of solving them without resort to 9th grade algebra. Anyway, it was taught to like this: The (I)ndian looks out and see's the (V)ulture over the( R)abbit: I=V/R (current = voltage divided by resistance). Play with it, and you'll see that the story remains consistent for any solution, such as the the Vulture see the Indian chasin' the Rabbit: V=I*R Hey, at 12 volts, you can't even get hurt... unless, you fall off the mast! >>> farreach(a)optonline.net 12/11/04 02:03PM >>> > 1. Re: Nav lights at top of mast (Keith Diehl) > 2. RE: Nav lights at top of mast (David Thomason) > 3. re: Nav lights at top of mast (Steve R.) > 4. Re: re: Nav lights at top of mast (mike_matthews(a)comcast.net) > 5. Re: Nav lights at top of mast (Saltm17(a)aol.com) > 6. Re: Nav light requirements (Saltm17(a)aol.com) > 7. Nav lights at top of mast (Rick Langer) > 8. Re: Nav lights at top of mast (Howard Audsley) > 9. Re: Nav lights at top of mast (Rik Sandberg) Thanks guys. As you can probably tell I'm trying to electrify my boat. Keith, the rules were a good place to start. I didn't realize they allow an all around white light to cover what usually is done with a stern light and masthead light. On the issue of the tri-color masthead light being to high, it seems that being so far above deck it probably sways considerably. And just the thought that a fisherman racing from one spot to another who thinks I'm farther away then I am is a nightmare. But, then again, not having the light on the sails or otherwise in your eyes is a benefit. Compromise. I like the idea of not wiring the mast, but part of the plan is to have a stationary VHF, so I guess I have to go up the mast with an antenna cable anyway. If I mounted the light on or in the hull or on the pulpit I could use a handheld VHF. Maybe something like red and green on the hull, steaming light on the pulpit and stern light on transom would work. Thanks again guys, I've changed my mind a few times already, so y'all must be having an affect on me. With this help I think I'll have a good solution. Rick Langer _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: Requirements
by Saltm17＠aol.com 11 Dec '04

11 Dec '04

That makes it legal for boats under app. 23 ft. Hmmm ..that catch phrase "in time to avoid collision" is interesting. John

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Requirements
by Saltm17＠aol.com 11 Dec '04

11 Dec '04

I went to the USCG site and found the regulations: (d) Sailing vessels of less than 7 meters in length; vessels under oars (i) A sailing vessel of less than 7 meters in length shall, if practicable, exhibit the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) or (b) of this Rule, but if she does not, she shall have ready at hand an electric torch or lighted lantern showing a white light which shall be exhibited in sufficient time to prevent collision.

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Nav lights at top of mast
by Rick Langer 11 Dec '04

11 Dec '04

Hi Connie, I like the idea of simplicity, but I'm still stuck on what the white light does. Is it just a stern light or is it an all around white light? If it's just a stern light, what do you do when motoring and if it's an all around, what do you do when sailing, not motoring? If you were going to put nav lights on your M15, what would you choose? Do you think the masthead light and wires add much weight to the mast? Thanks, Rick > Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:20:26 -0500 > From: chbenneck(a)juno.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Nav lights at top of mast > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: <20041210.112027.2392.1.chbenneck(a)juno.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Rick, > > The tricolor light is simplicity itself. > > One exterior lamp housing with Fresnel lens divided into red, green and > white sectors. > > The single bulb is located in the middle (a special bulb with a vertical > filament so that the optics work properly). > > When the tricolor light is on, one bulb does it all, rather than having > three bulbs, one for each individual lamp. > > For a sailboat it has another advantage. The tricolor lamp is mounted > atop the mast, which give it maximum range and visibility when sailing at > night. > > Connie

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Nav lights at top of mast
by Rick Langer 11 Dec '04

11 Dec '04

Would someone explain how a tri-color light works? Does the all around white light stay on, all around, whenever the nav lights are on or are there two lights in there, one stern and one steaming? Also, what are the issues concerning legality? Thanks, Rick Langer M15 #337 Sialia > Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:00:07 EST > From: Saltm17(a)aol.com > Subject: M_Boats: Nav lights at top of mast > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: <c0.1d757332.2eea16d7(a)aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Just called the Coast Guard and asked if using masthead nav lights > (tri-color) was still legal on both inland waters and off shore. Apparently they are > still legal, and there haven't been any recent changes to the rules alowing > them. > > John

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