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Some M17 Questions
by Smith, Tom 17 Jan '04

17 Jan '04

Good morning fellow Montgomery owners. I recently purchased an M17 and have several questions, but none so pressing at this; when sailing the boat yesterday, I discovered that what the former owner said was true, namely that this particular M17 takes water in through the top of the CB trunk, where the CB pendent drops through. Even in what I consider pretty tame conditions (8-10 knots of wind and mild chop), a fair amount of water spouts up through the hole. When viewed from above, it certainly appeared if if the trunk was full to the top with water, which seemed odd to me, but maybe normal. I say that because the M15 cockpit actually drains through the trunk. The boat is a '75, and the cb works freely and was deployed yesterday. Simply stuffing a rag into the hole solves the problem, but I wondered if anyone else had experienced this phenomenon. Thanks. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar

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Re: montgomery rendezvous
by Derfsails＠aol.com 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

Hi Larry, I would like very much to participate in a Montgomery rendezvous in the San Juan's next summer. We normally go up in June and spend two or three months. When we had our 30, we would launch at Anacortes because of the lifts, groceries, West Marine, trailer storage, and the extremely helpful people. However, with the 23 we could put in just about anywhere that would be convenient for other sailors that would be interested in getting together sometime over the summer. Maybe over this winter something could be set up that would allow as many people to get together as possible. It would sure be nice to put some faces and personalities with all the M-notes I've been reading over the last year or two. Thanks for the response. Fred (derf)

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M17 line drawings
by wayne yeargain 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

Jerry If you are still intrested I'd like to try to intregate your cad drawings with my system and complete any areas necessary to get a complete plan & elevation drawings. My boat is a '76 M17 and I can take measurements for items that are not on your drawings. Let me know what you think Contact me off line at saltydog(a)ev1.net Wayne

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M17 line drawings
by wayne yeargain 13 Dec '03

13 Dec '03

Hi Jerry: Sorry your e-mail bounced, don't know why it did that - I am at the same address, must have been a gremlin in the wire. Any way thanks for the M17 line drawings, I got them today, & am going to start some drawings right away. I'll send you and any one who is intrested, some copies when I'm done. Had my M17 out Sat. about 10knt wind and it just romped along like the throughbred it is......... life is sweet. Happy sails Wayne

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RE: M_Boats: Boat Advise - Thanks!
by Morris, Giles 13 Dec '03

13 Dec '03

> 6ft 1 inch headroom Perhaps I'm just getting inflexible (physically, that is) but standing headroom seems to make such a difference in overall perception of well-being. It doesn't have to be everywhere, but being able to stand up inside is such a joy! It's different with my M-15 (I've never been aboard an m-17) because in my mind, the cabin is a tent -- and therefore becomes luxurious by tent standards. I'd mentioned the Compac 23 in another reply to this thread, and it seems rather wonderful, but I'll never (well... who can say "never" about anything?) own one because of the headroom. I know that other people feel differently about this. (Rambling even further from the point) At the Annapolis show a couple of weeks ago, I went aboard a reproduction of an English wooden fishing boat that a couple had built for themselves. They (and the boat) seemed lovely people and a younger version of the Pardeys who had built their boat in just over two years from basic materials (i.e. logs!). Although it was well over 30 ft on deck it would be considered small below, but it was one of the most comfortable boats I've ever been aboard. It only had standing headroom in the doghouse under the aft hatchway and in the workshop, but it was enough. Was anybody else on the list lucky enough to go aboard that wonderful boat? Although it was based on an older English design, it felt very much like Lyle Hess's work -- or perhaps that should be the other way round. Giles Morris -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of John Fleming Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:24 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boat Advise - Thanks! Randy Graves wrote: > Friends, > > Our trips would be roughly 4 weeks in length with just the 2 of us. > Our target destinations, initially, would be to sail in and around > the Pacific North West; San Juan's, Desolation Sound, etc. The boat > would need to be trailerable with our 3/4 ton Van with a maximum > trailering capacity of 8,100 lbs. Target price range for boat & > trailer is $15 - $20,000. Things that are important to us in a boat > are; strong & sea worthy, sailable by 1 person, an old boat that we > can invest some time and money into and use for many years and in a > variety of sailing conditions. A boat that would hold the bulk of its > value. In essence; a larger Montgomery! Randy, It's somewhat heretical (or more like unfaithful, nautical philandering!) to discuss other boats when you're committed to a particular beauty, but here goes ... As a committed Montgomery owner, the only other boat I'd consider for your (or my) requirements would be a Laguna 26. There aren't many out there, but it's a good one, and I'd say it'd work. My good friends have one (they're former M-15 owners), and have sailed it in the San Juan's for the summer. They have trailered it all around the West, even sailing it in Jackson Lake at the foot of the Tetons. It is currently in Pimlico Sound, North Carolina, awaiting my friend's return from his year of duty in Iraq. Our family is getting bigger, and my wife is tired of hitting her head. One of the nicest things about the Laguna 26 is it has 6ft 1 inch headroom. There's plenty of room, quite a lot actually for a 26 footer. It comes in several different interior configurations: port/starboard settees, port U-shaped seat with starboard galley & nav station, and another kind. Like any boat that size, it has to be specially rigged for single-handling. You need to make sure it either has it, or you know how to install it. On a Montgomery 15 or 17, it hardly matters. As long as you have a foresail downhaul, which are trivial to make, everything else can be handled from the cockpit no matter how it's rigged. Another difference is that the Laguna 26 has shallow cockpit coamings, unlike the deep ones of the Montgomery. It's definitely a different feeling. The bridgedeck on the Laguna is a little better than M-17 but not much. I believe there is one currently for sail in Portland, OR, for about 15K asking price. Regards, John Fleming M-17: "Star Cross'd" _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: Just toss it overboard!
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 08 Nov '03

08 Nov '03

In a message dated 10/28/2003 3:56:40 AM Central Standard Time, mazemusic(a)yahoo.com writes: Thanks, Doug. I am curious to hear how the sculling works. So...NO ONE has rowed an M-15? -Rusty The tough thing about adapting a Montgomery for rowing would be the freeboard. You want to be down close to the water to create an efficient entry angle for the oar. This is why many owner built designs have rowing ports that can be opened or closed as necessary. Unfortunately, the thick coamings of a Monty would make such modification difficult or impossible, and you'd still be sitting pretty high due to the self draining cockpit design. Still, I suppose you could try it with extra long oars...It's said that Butcher Boy, a turn of the century workboat, was fast to row, and there's evidence that Lyle Hess drew inspiration from its legendary design. I've got oar locks to mount on my P-15 (which has similar drawbacks, but not quite as extreme since it's a smaller boat), but I haven't gotten around to putting them on. A friend of mine rows his Potter miles at a time with 8' oars, but he's an extraordinary fellow. We rely on a Minn Kota 42 for maneuvoring and sometimes propulsion in calms. It's powered by a tiny U-1 battery, only thirty amps! How do we get away with this? First, we never have current to deal with. Second, mostly it's used to maneuvor in and out of docks, launch ramps, etc. Third, when we have some distance to go, even a mile or two, we use low power, which is vastly more efficient, and we're patient. BTW, the trolling motor works wonderfully for motor sailing in light fluky air, again on a low setting, like 2 or 3 out of a range of 5. It's dead quiet, you know. Under these conditions, the motor gets reved up when the wind pipes up, and makes makes me wonder if the motor turns into a generator and starts recharging the battery. Depends on the motor design, I'm told...its an area of development I'd love to pursue, if I had the time. Cheers Steve Tyree, P-15 #2098 "Amy Ann"

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RE: M_Boats: M15 bow eye location
by Smith, Tom 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

Can anyone tell me the location of the stock bow eye on an M15? I could guesstimate a reasonable spot, but thought maybe there was a standard... Thanks. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed

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Re: M_Boats: Omega 14
by Debaene 04 Nov '03

04 Nov '03

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: no such e-mail address Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:25:46 -0600 From: Wayne <Wayne(a)ev1.net> To: Debaene <sukenaja(a)netscape.net> -----Original Message----- From: Debaene [mailto:sukenaja@netscape.net] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 8:57 AM To: wayne yeargain Subject: Re: M_Boats: Omega 14 Hi Wayne, I've tried to find other Omega 14 owners on the internet . . . not much luck, so it's nice to find another owner who's willing to communicate. My boat is from '82 I believe. We bought it from an old fellow who moved into an assisted living facility. He hadn't sailed it for quite a few years and the part to hold the centerboard in place is missing. I've jerry-rigged something with a dowl and a rope around the mast to keep the centerboard in place, but it is less then ideal. I was wondering if you could give me the measurements of that part and perhaps a picture of what it looks like. We love the little boat, we can fit all 5 of us (2 adults, 3 children) and had a lot of fun with it already (bought it in Sept. this year). We still have a Banshee (~12ft, cat-rigged), which is not nearly as roomy, dry or forgiving for family sailing. Looking forward to your reply. Regards, Jan wayne(a)ev1.net wrote: > Hi Jan > Glad to hear you have a Omega, I have one also, great little boat > mines a '78, also have a Sunfish of indeterminate age, and a '76 M17. > Sometimes if i'm going to a place where I know there is little > wind (most state parks for example) I'll take the Omega, it does > well in light winds. > > Regards > > Wayne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Debaene <mailto:sukenaja@netscape.net> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:26 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Gas filling.. > > We have one of those gas cans described below. It is > wonderful! Never, ever spilled gas anymore! The only downside > is that it doesn't work on cars, only on lawnmowers or other > similar gas tanks. > > Jan Paul Debaene > > Capri Omega 14 (dreaming of a Montgomery) > > the_tentmakers(a)hotmail.com wrote: > >> Hi. We're new to the list ... own a 1974 Montgomery 17 that >> has been restored and has some improvements. I noted the >> item about filling tanks on small motors: Briggs and >> Stratton makes [or made] a one gallon can with a patented >> fill tube that shut off automatically when the receiving tank >> was full. No muss .. no fuss .. no bother. I think they are >> still available at good lawnmower shops etc. >> >> >> H. Dale and Gloria L. Lilly >> San Carlos Community Church >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband >> Internet access. Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month.* >> <http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2731??PS=>*Depending on the local >> service providers in your area. >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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RE: M_Boats: Re: New old M-17
by Smith, Tom 01 Nov '03

01 Nov '03

I use a long shaft Honda 2 on an M17. I believe it's all the ob power that's required, and up to the job in conditions beyond calm water. You just learn the limitations of a smaller motor and abide by the rules. Our M17 is a '75 with the transom cutout, but the motor is mounted on an adjustable bracket and very easy to raise and lower. There doesn't seem to be any clearance problems motor to rudder. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed -----Original Message----- From: Bill Sylvester [mailto:wmcsyl1@cox.net] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:36 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Re: New old M-17 Connie, If I understand correctly, you have a Honda BF2. How would it work on our M-17 as a calm water kicker? I am concerned about a bigger motor interfering with the action of the rudder. When we brought the boat from the slip to the trailer, we used a 50lb thrust Minn Kota that is presently with the boat. We never used more than half of the power and everything was OK. I know this question has been kicked around by this group for a long time. I feel that I can actually use the outboard cutout on the transom if the motor is small enough. What do you think, will the BF2 cut it? Have you heard of the new Honda BF 2.3? Bill Endelig M-17 #279 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats This message was scanned for viruses!!

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Re: M_Boats: Re: New old M-17
by chbenneck＠juno.com 01 Nov '03

01 Nov '03

Bill, Captain Eugene, who had an M17, but no engine, asked me if I could help him get his boat from the Coast Guard mooring at New London, on the Thames River, to the launch ramp. We mounted my short shaft HONDA 2 HP on Eugene's M17, and with four adults on board, went up the Thames, against an outgoing tide, very nicely. We might not have reached hull speed for the M17, but there was no problem moving the M17 and it's load. My HONDA is the earlier model - without the clutch. I have no problems with it getting in or out of my slip. I fire up the engine, turn it 180 degrees so it gives me reverse; release my last spring line; jump aboard, and ...........away we go! The first time you do it, it might be a bit scary, but by the third time, it's old hat! Connie

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