December 2001 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

New MSOG member
by Steve_McClellan＠hmco.com 19 Dec '01

19 Dec '01

Hello Montgomery Folks! My name is Steve and I'm here to join your club. Just show me where to sign. Some time ago, after doing a little research, my lovely wife and I determined that a Montgomery 15 was the boat we needed. (Want to cruise, no place to keep a big boat, no money to keep one in the water around here (Evanston, Illinois)) I had a subscription to the magazine "Cruising World" -- somehow I never could identify with all those rich people (no offense to all you good rich people out there!) with their 40 or 60 foot yachts, sailing the South Pacific (Sorry, but I have to WORK for a living). The one really good thing that magazine did for me was, one day I was paging through the way back of the issue, where the little black and white ads are, and there was an ad for Montgomery boats. I was intrigued by the idea of a "pocket cruiser" -- so I went to the Montgomery Marine website, and was immediately HOOKED. On their website was a link to the MSOG website. So I've been "lurking" on your mailing list for some time. I've been braving the Big Lake (Michigan) in a little 14 foot Hobie Holder monohull for the last two years. (Those two to four foot waves (typical on a decent sailing day) can get pretty tiring in an open day sailor.) We took the Holder up to Wisconsin last summer to explore beautiful Castle Rock Lake for a week, and camp along it's shores in Buckhorn State Park. Well last week we lucked into (I HOPE it will turn out to have been GOOD luck) a Montgomery 15 for $2,400. It was in Columbus Ohio, a 7 hour drive from the Chicago area where I live. Went out last weekend, gave it a quick lookover (no major problems immediately apparent -- some cleanup necessary) plopped down my money, and towed it all the way back here behind my lttle Saturn. (NO PROBLEM by the way, but I was definitely using all four cylinders) Left here Saturday at 4:00 AM and was back by 8:00 PM -- 15 hours of driving and 1 hour of bargaining later. I HOPE I got a good deal -- there seems to be some water down in the keel sump area and some under the floor (between outer and inner hulls?) DIRECTLY underneath the porta-pottie. This seems related very closely to the problems that I've read about that "Connie" Benneck, Natalie & Mike ("Junior") and Lacey Hartje have reported, with leakage in the centerboard trunk area. I hope I'm up to the task of fixing it -- I know I'll be asking for some advice from you all. Anyway -- great to be here. BUT NOW I CAN'T WAIT TO GET THE THING IN THE WATER! (Gotta get right with State of Illinois first, for one thing). More another time. Heigh ho! Steve PS: Oh, by the way, it's hull #152, made in 5/81

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Welcome aboard
by Stan Winarski 19 Dec '01

19 Dec '01

Hi Steve and she-who-remains-unnamed-but-brings-some-happiness-to-poor-Steve (with the emphasis on poor), We've had 20 years of enjoyment out of our M-15. Looks like yours was the 52nd one built, mine was the 77th. Best wishes to you both. On mine, there was a thin spot in the fiberglass on the stern side of the housing through which the centerboard line runs. It wasn't hard to patch - just awkward. Hopefully, that's the extent of the "leak". Try whats-her-name's mirror to get a look at the backside of the trunk while running water through the drain. If it isn't that (can't imagine the original owner let it go this long) it may be the result of the hatch boards not doing a great job of keeping water out if the bow is level or lower than the stern. Maybe the water is just rainwater. The water under the potty must have come from inside if there are no patches on the hull. My inner liner was very "tender" in that area and tended to crack when stepped on. I build a lightweight wooden floor to cover the depression when the potty isn't aboard, covered it with carpeting, and haven't had any problems since. Also cut rug to fit what little floor there is just inside the hatch to prevent cracking there too. Hope the water you extract isn't yellow. Stan Carol II, #177

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Re: M_Boats: New MSOG member
by Steve_McClellan＠hmco.com 19 Dec '01

19 Dec '01

drr wrote: >> Sorry you have such a smug attitude about what other people possess. (Darn! I KNEW that line about "rich people" was going to get me in trouble.) I sincerely apologize if any offense was taken by anyone. However, if you re-read my post, all I said was that I "could never identify with" the people portrayed in magazines like Cruizing World. Not that they were in any way wrong, or bad people. I was just trying to relate how I discovered Montgomery boats in what one might consider an unlikely place. OK, I admit the crack about having "to work for a living" WAS smug, was un-called for, and probably in many cases untrue. So I'm sorry. Hey, and so what if they ARE rich -- at least they're not stinkpotters!! (No offense to all of you stinkpotters, er, power boat operators out there!)

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Re: M_Boats: New MSOG member
by Randy Watkins 19 Dec '01

19 Dec '01

Steve, Congratulations on your new boat. It sounds like you got an excellent deal and even if there are a few things to fix. The archive ( searchable ) may be of help. Hope we meet up on the water sometime. Regards, Randy & Greta Watkins College Station, Tx M15#194 >>> Steve_McClellan(a)hmco.com 12/19/01 11:48AM >>> Hello Montgomery Folks! My name is Steve and I'm here to join your club. Just show me where to sign. Some time ago, after doing a little research, my lovely wife and I determined that a Montgomery 15 was the boat we needed. (Want to cruise, no place to keep a big boat, no money to keep one in the water around here (Evanston, Illinois)) I had a subscription to the magazine "Cruising World" -- somehow I never could identify with all those rich people (no offense to all you good rich people out there!) with their 40 or 60 foot yachts, sailing the South Pacific (Sorry, but I have to WORK for a living). The one really good thing that magazine did for me was, one day I was paging through the way back of the issue, where the little black and white ads are, and there was an ad for Montgomery boats. I was intrigued by the idea of a "pocket cruiser" -- so I went to the Montgomery Marine website, and was immediately HOOKED. On their website was a link to the MSOG website. So I've been "lurking" on your mailing list for some time. I've been braving the Big Lake (Michigan) in a little 14 foot Hobie Holder monohull for the last two years. (Those two to four foot waves (typical on a decent sailing day) can get pretty tiring in an open day sailor.) We took the Holder up to Wisconsin last summer to explore beautiful Castle Rock Lake for a week, and camp along it's shores in Buckhorn State Park. Well last week we lucked into (I HOPE it will turn out to have been GOOD luck) a Montgomery 15 for $2,400. It was in Columbus Ohio, a 7 hour drive from the Chicago area where I live. Went out last weekend, gave it a quick lookover (no major problems immediately apparent -- some cleanup necessary) plopped down my money, and towed it all the way back here behind my lttle Saturn. (NO PROBLEM by the way, but I was definitely using all four cylinders) Left here Saturday at 4:00 AM and was back by 8:00 PM -- 15 hours of driving and 1 hour of bargaining later. I HOPE I got a good deal -- there seems to be some water down in the keel sump area and some under the floor (between outer and inner hulls?) DIRECTLY underneath the porta-pottie. This seems related very closely to the problems that I've read about that "Connie" Benneck, Natalie & Mike ("Junior") and Lacey Hartje have reported, with leakage in the centerboard trunk area. I hope I'm up to the task of fixing it -- I know I'll be asking for some advice from you all. Anyway -- great to be here. BUT NOW I CAN'T WAIT TO GET THE THING IN THE WATER! (Gotta get right with State of Illinois first, for one thing). More another time. Heigh ho! Steve PS: Oh, by the way, it's hull #152, made in 5/81 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: New MSOG member
by scgray＠att.net 19 Dec '01

19 Dec '01

Steve, Welcome to the world of M-boats. Sounds like Mr. Reed got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. I saw an interesting study the other day on what it would look like if you took a 100 person cross section of the world and how many of them would control the majority ot the money, have a decent education, etc. I found it interesting that not even one person would own a computer. So by global standards if you can read this you are richer than 99% of the world's peoples. However, I don't think you were out to offend rich folks with your comments. I have many fond memories of our first "club" race we ever showed up at with the local yacht club only to discover we were one of the only boats without matching sweaters. However, as time went on we beat some of those well dressed boats and made a lot of friends. But to some of those folks it always was a "size does matter" sport and we never quite fit in with that segment of the club. But for the most part just being out on the water is enough to bridge the barriers and there are a lot of great folks to meet in big boats or little. Enjoy the new boat and welcome to the M-world. Steve Gray .....It's not about the boat, it's about the wind. > Steve, > Sorry you have such a smug attitude about what other people possess. > > The majority of boaters are not "rich", they dedicate a large chunk of > income to > boating, because they love the sport. I have had many boats in the last > 20 years. > I have never considered myself rich. Maybe some one that could only afford > a sabot might > consider you "rich" because you have a M15. As far as "having to work for > a living", > everyone that I know in boating has to work for a living. > > Sorry, but the first of your post was a complete turn off. > Good luck in all your endeavors. Maybe someday you will become "rich" > drr > > > > > > At 11:48 AM 12/19/01 -0600, you wrote: > >Hello Montgomery Folks! > > > >My name is Steve and I'm here to join your club. Just show me where to > >sign. Some time ago, after doing a little research, my lovely wife and I > >determined that a Montgomery 15 was the boat we needed. (Want to cruise, no > >place to keep a big boat, no money to keep one in the water around here > >(Evanston, Illinois)) > > > >I had a subscription to the magazine "Cruising World" -- somehow I never > >could identify with all those rich people (no offense to all you good rich > >people out there!) with their 40 or 60 foot yachts, sailing the South > >Pacific (Sorry, but I have to WORK for a living). The one really good > >thing that magazine did for me was, one day I was paging through the way > >back of the issue, where the little black and white ads are, and there was > >an ad for Montgomery boats. I was intrigued by the idea of a "pocket > >cruiser" -- so I went to the Montgomery Marine website, and was immediately > >HOOKED. On their website was a link to the MSOG website. So I've been > >"lurking" on your mailing list for some time. > > > >I've been braving the Big Lake (Michigan) in a little 14 foot Hobie Holder > >monohull for the last two years. (Those two to four foot waves (typical > >on a decent sailing day) can get pretty tiring in an open day sailor.) We > >took the Holder up to Wisconsin last summer to explore beautiful Castle > >Rock Lake for a week, and camp along it's shores in Buckhorn State Park. > > > >Well last week we lucked into (I HOPE it will turn out to have been GOOD > >luck) a Montgomery 15 for $2,400. It was in Columbus Ohio, a 7 hour drive > >from the Chicago area where I live. Went out last weekend, gave it a quick > >lookover (no major problems immediately apparent -- some cleanup necessary) > >plopped down my money, and towed it all the way back here behind my lttle > >Saturn. (NO PROBLEM by the way, but I was definitely using all four > >cylinders) Left here Saturday at 4:00 AM and was back by 8:00 PM -- 15 > >hours of driving and 1 hour of bargaining later. > > > >I HOPE I got a good deal -- there seems to be some water down in the keel > >sump area and some under the floor (between outer and inner hulls?) > >DIRECTLY underneath the porta-pottie. This seems related very closely to > >the problems that I've read about that "Connie" Benneck, Natalie & Mike > >("Junior") and Lacey Hartje have reported, with leakage in the centerboard > >trunk area. I hope I'm up to the task of fixing it -- I know I'll be > >asking for some advice from you all. > > > >Anyway -- great to be here. BUT NOW I CAN'T WAIT TO GET THE THING IN THE > >WATER! (Gotta get right with State of Illinois first, for one thing). > > > >More another time. Heigh ho! > > > >Steve > > > >PS: Oh, by the way, it's hull #152, made in 5/81 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: New MSOG member
by Morris, Giles 19 Dec '01

19 Dec '01

>Sorry you have such a smug attitude about what other people possess Smug? I guess I'm smug, too, because I can't identify with owning the kind of boat that seems to be of interest to Cruising World's target audience either. I understand that you may be easily offended, but I found nothing to warrant your negative response to Steve's message. As you put it so well: "Sorry, but the first of your post was a complete turn off". You're doing yourself a disservice if you believe that people who say they can't identify a particular type of boating are "smug". BTW: Steve, you might want to look at a magazine called Good Old Boat (http://www.goodoldboat.com/) which, for me, is the best of them all. Giles Morris Arlington VA Vancouver 25 #002 "Dolphin" Montgomery 15 #264 "Umiaq" Sundry kayaks

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[Montgomery_boats] M_Boats: NW get together
by Harvey Hochstetter 16 Dec '01

16 Dec '01

Gary, Steve & Diana, et al: Or whom ever is compiling a NW Montgomery list of possible participants for a get together. Deena and I would be interested as well. At this point most of the summer is open except for the first part of June, ( we are going to Atlanta for her sons wedding ). My work schedule is, at this point rather inflexible, every other weekend, Wednesday to Wednesday, either on or off. It alternates so that I'm on one week and off the next and maintains that rotation through the year. We are kind of in the middle of the Northwest, so either direction would be fine. Deena likes N Idaho, I like the lakes, we are close to the rivers. There is good sailing on either, given some cooperation from the breezes. Keep us posted, please. Harvey and Deena M-15 #348 "Pelican" Walla Walla, WA

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M15 Masthead lights
by Steve R. 15 Dec '01

15 Dec '01

Very interesting discussion. I am leaning toward putting a bicolor light above the jib halyard block on the front of the mast, and a combination steaming/stern light set on top of the mast. The steaming light for motoring would face forward and the stern light, of course, aft. Both lights would be turned on for anchoring. The rules say the steaming light must be one meter above the red/green sidelights. It seems to me this bicolor installation would be possible on a fractional rigged boat, but obviously not on a mastheaded rigged boat. I quote from the "Annapolis Book" Boats smaller than 66 feet may carry sidelights on either side of the bow, in the shrouds, or in a single lantern at or near the top of the mast. I am using the single lantern near the top of the mast definition. However, I an not a Coast Guard officer. Perko has a dual lamp steaming/stern light but I do not know if this is legal to use as an anchor light. Model 1196. Boat US say it may be used as steaming or all-around light, so I assume this means anchor use too. Is that legal? Are there any other dual lamp fixtures out there? Maybe something that was actually designed to mount on top of a mast rather than a cabin? My reasoning for doing this is you have to have a light on top of the mast for anchoring, and I would rather have the wiring run only to the mast than to the bow and stern as well. I figure a bicolor lamp above the jib could be seen better than at the pulpit. Plus, there are lots of things that can tangle with or smash a light on the pulpit. I am also thinking of using a combination masthead/deck light and converting the masthead light to a bicolor side light. Aqua Signal has a Series 25 combination light (model 25404-7). I assume the red/green globe of the bicolor light would interchange with the white globe of this combination light. I figure the deck light would illuminate the jib nicely, if I am about to be run down. Anybody visiting a marine store that can verify this theory? (Do you need another excuse to go?) Can anyone point out potential problems for me? John Edwards mentioned the red over green all-around light on top of the mast. Annapolis says the red should be one meter above the green. Lights at the bow, stern and red over green on top of the mast would give the maximum visibility, but I am at a loss as to how to mount that top red lamp. Any ideas? Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY

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test
by Keith Diehl 15 Dec '01

15 Dec '01

just an annoying test Keith Diehl - Salt Lake City, UT http://www.xmission.com/~kdiehl

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Re: M_Boats: M15 Masthead lights
by Saltm17＠aol.com 15 Dec '01

15 Dec '01

DUH! *L*

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