From: "Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media" <glenn@folkvord.net>
Music research shows that women generally prefer music with lyrics
hm ... what kind of "music research" are u talkin' about here , glenn , as this is news to me & i like to have a source to verify it !!! can u provide us with a link or somethin' then ??? *pure_curiosity*
(with emphasis on *generally* - there are many exceptions).
EXACTLY_!!! ;-)
Even if song lyrics talk about things of typical interest to men, they are more likely to appeal to women than instrumental songs.
sorry , but this simply doesn't make any sense to me , as i've witnessed with my own eyes that some women that i know are more attracted by a good melody they can hum along than by certain lyrics , of what kind soever !!! *G+* ;-) therefore i have to completely agree with my dear ( & of course female ;-) friend pat slade from the states here !!! *oh_jay_waves_very_friendly_over_to_pat* :-))) anyway ... as long as men & women like to listen to kw , there's nothin' wrong with them , imho !!! *hehehe* ;-))) btw : have u ever heard of a serial killer , who loves to listen to kw instead of ... erm ... marylin manson ( only for instance , of course !!! *slyest_grin* ;-))) , fellows ??? *BWG* ;-))) however ... many greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~*
8/31/02 8:52:50 AM, "Oh Jay" <oh_jay@freenet.de> wrote:
Music research shows that women generally prefer music with lyrics
hm ... what kind of "music research" are u talkin' about here , glenn , as this is news to me & i like to have a source to verify it !!! can u provide us with a link or somethin' then ??? *pure_curiosity*
This kind of research has been talked about a lot, its not all to hard to find...
sorry , but this simply doesn't make any sense to me , as i've witnessed with my own eyes that some women that i know are more attracted by a good melody they can hum along than by certain lyrics , of what kind soever !!! *G+* ;-) therefore i have to completely agree with my dear ( & of course female ;-) friend pat slade from the states here !!! *oh_jay_waves_very_friendly_over_to_pat* :-)))
There are always exceptions, Oh Jay, as Glenn said before. Never going to be a 100% women enjoy lyrics over music in studies. Everyone is different. Signed, omegaChance http://www.mp3.com/omegaChance
8/31/02 8:52:50 AM, "Oh Jay" <oh_jay@freenet.de> wrote:
Music research shows that women generally prefer music with lyrics
hm ... what kind of "music research" are u talkin' about here , glenn , as this is news to me & i like to have a source to verify it !!! can u provide us with a link or somethin' then ??? *pure_curiosity*
Music as a phenomenon in society has been studied in depth many times everywhere. I have read about this topic in specialist magazines in the past and found an article in the American Keyboard magazine that also mentioned it. Now I cant locate the magazine but I read it only a few days ago. I havent bothered to find online info about it but just because info exists on paper doesnt mean it is less valid :-)
sorry , but this simply doesn't make any sense to me , as i've witnessed with my own eyes that some women that i know are more attracted by a good melody they can hum along than by certain lyrics , of what kind soever !!! *G+* ;-)
It's a common misunderstanding (and an easy misunderstanding to make, I dont blame you :-) to take personal experiences as statistical info. Looking at bigger surveys than those done by you among your friends, I bet the results would be different. Also, a statement like "I saw many girls at the latest Kraftwerk/TD/Jarre/Vangelis concert" does not necessarily prove that those females are fans. They could be tagging along their boyfriend. On the other hand, it is more difficult to spot female fans of any genre or artist because: * Women are more than men able to enjoy / "be fans of" music without owning CDs (ownership of physcial objects appeal more to men than women) * Women tend to not "collect" things as much as men - collecting stuff is to a large extent a male activity * Women tend to communicate more than men on an emotional level and therefore do not need so many visual aids (posters, merchandise, souvenirs) as men - men are more visually inclined than women * Women are often quiter than men and voice their appreciation for something less than men in (subconcious) fear of being rejected for their preferences. Men dont care if other men laugh at their preference for "geeky computer music" These things are based on sociological studies and apply *in general* (exceptions exist) on a large scale. You and your friends may not be like the above but then again, you and your friends may not represent the entire population of a country. Glenn
Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media schrieb am 31.08.2002 20:53 Uhr MESZ:
These things are based on sociological studies and apply *in general* (exceptions exist) on a large scale. You and your friends may not be like the above but then again, you and your friends may not represent the entire population of a country.
What's the source of your informations about male and female fan behavior? (Just curious, I remember different studies on topics like this.) Jan
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Reetze" <Reetze@t-online.de>
What's the source of your informations about male and female fan behavior? (Just curious, I remember different studies on topics like this.)
The main sources are articles, studies and reports made by University students preparing for their thesis exams here in Norway. Some of them ended up getting doctorates on topics that include the gender perception of music as a sociological phenomenon. Glenn
Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media schrieb am 01.09.2002 22:48 Uhr MESZ:
What's the source of your informations about male and female fan behavior? (Just curious, I remember different studies on topics like this.)
The main sources are articles, studies and reports made by University students preparing for their thesis exams here in Norway. Some of them ended up getting doctorates on topics that include the gender perception of music as a sociological phenomenon.
Which would mean that the whole stuff is more or less unpublished and nobody can check the exact topics, questions and contexts. If there is one sociological topic which is highly en vogue at the moment, it's "gender studies". But when I read seminar papers or articles on this topic, my main impression is: HOORAY, the late seventies are back again! Jan -- feel free to visit http://www.jan-reetze.de
Jan, Thanks for getting some humor back into this topic. Um, I wasn't the only woman who answered in the affirmative about being a female Kraftwerk fan. For all the folks who are scratching their heads wondering where the female Kraftwerk fans are, guess what? We're here, or on other Kraftwerk lists. If you are wondering why other gals haven't discovered them yet, why not make a female friend a Kraftwerk cd, maybe you'll be surprised. Was it Amir on here who made his female co-workers the Kraftwerk cdrs, and they really enjoy listening to them? Maybe more women would like them if given the opportunity to hear them. Kraftwerk have wonderful lyrics and sublime melodies. I don't know about you folks, but where I live, Kraftwerk aren't exactly all over the radio. So unless you've been a die-hard fan for a while, how are they supposed to attract new listeners be they male or female? pat ps. This might come as a shock ;-) but has anyone else here noticed, be they male or female, some folks aren't into music??!! Doesn't matter who it is, it's just not somethign they are interested in. Jan Reetze wrote: Which would mean that the whole stuff is more or less unpublished and nobody can check the exact topics, questions and contexts. If there is one sociological topic which is highly en vogue at the moment, it's "gender studies". But when I read seminar papers or articles on this topic, my main impression is: HOORAY, the late seventies are back again! Jan -- feel free to visit http://www.jan-reetze.de _______________________________________________ Kraftwerk mailing list Kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes
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ps. This might come as a shock ;-) but has anyone else here noticed, be they male or female, some folks aren't into music??!! Doesn't matter who it is, it's just not somethign they are interested in.
My grandfather is like that. There is no music he likes. I dont understand it :-) Glenn
Exactly! I sent a male friend an mp3 of neon lights, and he was like: huh? Maybe we Kraftwerk fans have just got to realise that as awesome as their music is, not everybody is going to dig Kraftwerk, not just American women ;-) anamericanwomanwholoveskraftwerk Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media wrote:----- Original Message ----- From: Pat Slade
ps. This might come as a shock ;-) but has anyone else here noticed, be they male or female, some folks aren't into music??!! Doesn't matter who it is, it's just not somethign they are interested in.
My grandfather is like that. There is no music he likes. I dont understand it :-) Glenn _______________________________________________ Kraftwerk mailing list Kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes
That's right, Pat, 99.9% of women I know from around the globe haven't heard of KW, much less experienced the best of that group. My CD's are a hit! amir Pat Slade wrote:
Jan,
Thanks for getting some humor back into this topic.
Um, I wasn't the only woman who answered in the affirmative about being a female Kraftwerk fan. For all the folks who are scratching their heads wondering where the female Kraftwerk fans are, guess what? We're here, or on other Kraftwerk lists. If you are wondering why other gals haven't discovered them yet, why not make a female friend a Kraftwerk cd, maybe you'll be surprised. Was it Amir on here who made his female co-workers the Kraftwerk cdrs, and they really enjoy listening to them?
Maybe more women would like them if given the opportunity to hear them. Kraftwerk have wonderful lyrics and sublime melodies. I don't know about you folks, but where I live, Kraftwerk aren't exactly all over the radio. So unless you've been a die-hard fan for a while, how are they supposed to attract new listeners be they male or female?
pat
ps. This might come as a shock ;-) but has anyone else here noticed, be they male or female, some folks aren't into music??!! Doesn't matter who it is, it's just not somethign they are interested in.
Jan Reetze wrote:
Which would mean that the whole stuff is more or less unpublished and nobody can check the exact topics, questions and contexts.
If there is one sociological topic which is highly en vogue at the moment, it's "gender studies". But when I read seminar papers or articles on this topic, my main impression is: HOORAY, the late seventies are back again!
Jan
-- feel free to visit http://www.jan-reetze.de
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Amir, Thank you. That's exactly what I meant. I played them in my office a few weeks ago, and the woman who had brought in Barry Manilow (yes, it's true)....liked it and asked me who the group was! pat, who actually likes Luther Vandros too (I forgot that from a few posts ago) --- webmaster@slystone.com wrote:
That's right, Pat, 99.9% of women I know from around the globe haven't heard of KW, much less experienced the best of that group. My CD's are a hit!
amir
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Which would mean that the whole stuff is more or less unpublished and nobody can check the exact topics, questions and contexts.
There is no need to "check". We are not doing scientific research on KW list. Obviosuly I am not making things up, why would I do that. Reports and studies that are part of doctorates are automatically published in Norway. So there! :-) Glenn
Hey Glenn and all, I moderate a Cabaret Voltaire list at yahoo with over 150 members. Trust me, there are plenty of women who are interested in music, avidly collect it, etc. I'm always excited when I can get ephemera relating to my favorite bands, not just cds. My husband and I took a little trip yesterday, I bought 7 cds from a variety of bands (cabaret voltaire, can, discharge, the human expression, to name a few). I actively trade music with people all over the world. I've also spouted quite a bit lately on this very list about my love for the music of Kraftwerk and how great they are. This woman is not quiet when it comes to that :-) And I would be the first woman in line if Kraftwerk did a tour here in the states. I consider myself very lucky because both my husband and I enjoy music very much. For me to go to a concert means I go with my best friend. I've never been the kind of woman that has ever gone to a show because I was somebodies girlfriend. The above examples may just be evidence for the 'exceptions that may exist' but I know plenty of other women that enjoy music as much as I do, take it seriously, and are actively involved in supporting their favorite bands. Maybe that's not the most scientific thing in the world, but that's what I've observed. And now I don't know about anybody else, but can we get back to the good stuff, i.e. KRAFTWERK!! :-)) take care all, pat Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media wrote:On the other hand, it is more difficult to spot female fans of any genre or artist because: * Women are more than men able to enjoy / "be fans of" music without owning CDs (ownership of physcial objects appeal more to men than women) * Women tend to not "collect" things as much as men - collecting stuff is to a large extent a male activity * Women tend to communicate more than men on an emotional level and therefore do not need so many visual aids (posters, merchandise, souvenirs) as men - men are more visually inclined than women * Women are often quiter than men and voice their appreciation for something less than men in (subconcious) fear of being rejected for their preferences. Men dont care if other men laugh at their preference for "geeky computer music" These things are based on sociological studies and apply *in general* (exceptions exist) on a large scale. You and your friends may not be like the above but then again, you and your friends may not represent the entire population of a country. Glenn _______________________________________________ Kraftwerk mailing list Kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes
I work with 6 women (not as pleasant as you might think guys-they're animals!) of various ages. We have a CD player on most of the day and as much as I've tried to educate them in the science of the funk, they would all prefer to listen to the ear candy that is known as the 'Top 40' or anything that is equally middle of the road. (we had 2 hours of Luther Vandross the other day..sheesh!) Now I've been here before in a similar debate and I risking having my balls chewed off again but the above comment applies to most women-MOST, NOT ALL. I acknowledge that there are women who prefer thier music with a bit more depth but they are far and few between. Shaun 8/31/02 8:52:50 AM, "Oh Jay" <oh_jay@freenet.de> wrote:
Music research shows that women generally prefer music with lyrics
hm ... what kind of "music research" are u talkin' about here , glenn , as this is news to me & i like to have a source to verify it !!! can u provide us with a link or somethin' then ??? *pure_curiosity*
This kind of research has been talked about a lot, its not all to hard to find...
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