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Re: [kraftwerk] Pocket Calculator
by Enrique Correa 07 Jun '02

07 Jun '02

pop-trash(a)webtv.net wrote: > The Mix's version (although very good) is indeed inferior to > it's respective original -- I much preferrer the original version, > and can't understand how any fan of KW's newer material > could dislike that song, particularly since it is a key song > from their catalogue. Maybe because that particular song flirts a lot with one of the main reasons why a few critics don't like KW in the first place. That is: sounds a lot like Chinese water torture. I don't particularly dislike the song, but I prefer to listen to the second half of it. Computer Love, Numbers and It's More Fun to Compute are, by far, my personal favorites from CW. E np: MMII, John Digweed

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Pocket Calculator
by pop-trash＠webtv.net 07 Jun '02

07 Jun '02

The Mix's version (although very good) is indeed inferior to it's respective original -- I much preferrer the original version, and can't understand how any fan of KW's newer material could dislike that song, particularly since it is a key song from their catalogue.

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Beatbox (was Re: [Kraftwerk] a final and indeed very serious warn ing to amir (webmaster@slystone.com)!)
by Enrique Correa 07 Jun '02

07 Jun '02

..::=|X|=::.. wrote: > in 1986 > kraftwerk returned that favor and took a part of hip hop (beatboxing) as > an influence for their "boing boom tschak" opening track for their > (rerecorded) album "electric cafe" (formerly "techno-pop"). amir replied: >> Didn't KW always delay the last album to *avoid* sounding like a pop >> band? Every band and their mothers used beat boxes. >> I remember the percussion on the disco hit >> "Ring My Bell" in 1979 using it. Sure, a whole bunch of people used beat boxes at the time, but Karl Bartos once said that "Beatbox" from Art of Noise was the main reason for "Boing Boom Tschak" to be. Then again, Ralf and Florian can probably deny all of it. E

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( mostly OT ) "the real deal" ... or the PERMANENT return of the highly infamous oh jay !!! *XLG* ;-)))
by Oh Jay 07 Jun '02

07 Jun '02

hi y' all ! well ... first of all i like to sincerely apologize to enrique correa & all those of u - EXCEPT this amir guy , kevin busby , rick jansen & oliver ruehl !!! - , who i may have insulted with what i recently wrote here or to u in a private mail !!! *utmost_honest_look* to amir , kevin & rick i can only say that they are in my personal killfiles & that they'll stay there as long as THEY won't apologize FIRST for what they've said to me here !!! btw : if u indeed like to apologize to me first , i'll most likely also apologize to u then & call it a day !!! to reach my inbox , u can send a message from a new or not known addy to me , because the addies that i know & have of u are ALL actively killfiled , which means that NONE of those messages will EVER reach my inbox & therefore simply WON'T be read !!! okay then ... i like to explain some things to y' all right now !!! i think that enrique & i have already made our peace with each other , which makes me indeed VERY_HAPPY , as i see by now that he's A_HONEST_MAN , who seems to think much deeper than the aforementioned other 4 individuals about some things & i suppose that we understand each others concerns by now !!! *indeed_very_happy_&_also_confident_smile* :-))) georgie asked : > Huuuh - what I would find a bit, let's say, interesting: > what is "THE TRUTH" and what are "PLAIN FACTS"? > And who tells us how look the "PLAIN FACTS" like > and where we have to find "THE TRUTH"? WOW_!!! >:-O these are indeed some VERY_IN-DEPTH questions , so i like to answer them as good as i can !!! *sincerest_look* "PLAIN_FACTS" are those facts that u can PROVE_WITHOUT_A_DOUBT , because there are VARIOUS_RELIABLE_SOURCES "out there" , who give u the exact same info about / answer to your question(s) !!! in case of the true history of hip hop , jus' go to the zulunation website @ http://www.zulunation.com & then VERIFY all the info from that site with other reliable sources , to finally find out that those info is TRUE & can be seen or looked @ as "PLAIN_FACTS" in this specific case !!! i know very well that it's indeed pretty hard to find some good & reliable sources to actually PROVE some info - especially when it comes to the sometimes still highly enigmatic history of our favorite group KRAFTWERK_!!! :-o ... & before anybody asks "what is a reliable source for u & how do u prove their reliability then ???" , i'll answer this question too in advance !!! *sly_grin* ;-) a RELIABLE_SOURCE becomes jus' that , when ALL the info that comes from it can be PROVEN & also VERIFIED by other - INDEPENDENT_!!! - sources , which might be hard in certain cases , but not necessarily impossible ... not even in the case of kw !!! *slyest_grin* ;-))) "THE_TRUTH" is ALWAYS based on the "PLAIN_FACTS" that u've researched by VERIFYIN' various RELIABLE_SOURCES to finally PROVE the info that u've got as VALUABLE_&_TRUE_!!! sure , things can also be TRUE , if u aren't always able to verify them with reliable info from various reliable sources , but in this case it's simply better to say "IN_MY_HUMBLE_OPINION" first , before anybody takes this info for granted & as 100% proven right !!! ;-) that's why i like to say "THE_TRUTH is out there ... u jus' have to find the info to prove it !!!" *slyest_grin_u_can_imagine* ;-))) so ***_INFORMATION_*** that comes from VARIOUS_RELIABLE_SOURCES & can be PROVEN_RIGHT in ALL cases is the ONLY way to gain "PLAIN_FACTS" & to finally find "THE_TRUTH"_!!! i sincerely hope that this answeres your questions , dear georgie !? > I'm a list-member since ca. 5 years now, > but it's getting more and more uncomfortable here. > Sorry. i can understand u all too well !!! *very_deep_sigh* :-o especially , when i see that from time to time people like this amir guy comes along ONLY to stir up trouble on this list again & when there's NO_MODERATOR to control people like him !!! :-/ this is EXACTLY the situation that i'll CONSTANTLY criticise ... UNTIL_IT_WILL_BE_CHANGED ... FINALLY_&_FOREVER_!!! PERIOD_!!! > BTW, why did you change your idendity / pseudonym? to tell u the truth , i've INDEED left this list COMPLETELY after i've sent out my last message as oh jay in early may !!! i've told this to a few friends ... & also to kevin busby , which most likely was a big fault of mine , as i see it by now !!! :-/ then i've rejoined the list later under my "..::=|X|=::.." pseudonym & hoped to stay UNKNOWN & "UNIDENTIFIED" , because i jus' wanted to keep a low profile & have ONLY joined the list again to state some facts , like i did as i simply quoted the info from kevin's FAQ in the case of "zehn kleine negerlein" & as i later stated some facts about the true history of hip hop & the connection between kw & hip hop , which i've simply based on a reliable source like the zulunation site & my own interviews that i've once done with people like kool dj herc & grandmaster flash in 1991 in new york city !!! but then this amir guy came along & tried to ridicule me with his PLAIN_NONSENSE ( which is the opposite of PLAIN_FACTS_!!! ;-) & even kevin busby thought that it might be funny to expose my new pseudonym on this list , which i took indeed VERY_SERIOUSLY & as a personal insult & i jus' quit my "virtual" friendship with him after it , as this "incident" clearly indicated for me , what kind of MALICIOUS character he really is !!! *deeply_saddened_sigh* :-o well ... i fought back for some time , but i jus' saw HOW_AIMLESS it can be , if people like this amir guy & also kevin & some others are simply NOT_ABLE or NOT_WILLIN' to understand some VERY_BASIC things & FACTS_!!! :-/ then i decided to change my pseudonym again , ONLY to promote the kraftwerkfans group @ yahoo! & try to convince people to join that group & possibly leave this list instead !!! maybe that was also a fault of me then ... however !!! :-o btw : i also like to change my pseudonyms from time to time to get out of some people's killfiles , which is ALWAYS a very simple & also pretty effective way indeed !!! *hehehe* ;-))) but by now i'm ONLY on this list under my best known nickname ( which simply ISN'T a pseudonym , as it stands for the initials of my REAL name olaf juerss !!! ;-) oh jay !!! *G+* ;-) fyi : i'll PERMANENTLY stay on this list as oh jay from now on ... until it gets closed down or until i'll get booted by the owner !!! *BWG* ;-))) THAT'S_"THE_REAL_DEAL" & u simply have to cope with it , fellows !!! *slyest_grin_again* ;-))) any further questions ??? ;-) however ... many greetinx , oh jay ;-) ~*~ jvr network program - june 2002 : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/program.html ( incl. live stream via internet ) studio webcam - live : http://stream.ok-bremen.de/studio.html radio show archive : http://friends.schallreflektor.com/ohjay/alien_disco playlist archive : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/playlists brand new website release soon @ http://www.jointventureradio.net & also http://www.jointventureradio.org *~\^/~*

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by Lord Ruthven 06 Jun '02

06 Jun '02

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Re: [Kraftwerk] Alec Empire on Kraftwerk
by Enrique Correa 06 Jun '02

06 Jun '02

DER AUTOMAT shared with us: > Alec Empire (from Atari Teenage Riot) > Duesseldorf 26-11-1999 > [ yadda yadda ] And who the heck is this empire guy? He seems to enjoy wasting time talking about something he hates. As bad as KW might seem to him, they got his attention all right. E

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Re: Alec Empire on dope ... err ... on Kraftwerk ;-)
by Oh Jay 06 Jun '02

06 Jun '02

enrique wondered : > And who the heck is this empire guy? well ... i'm currently jus' too lazy to provide u with some interestin' linx about mr. empire , so i suggest that u type "alec empire" in the search box of the google search engine & check out some of the results that u get , if u are indeed interested in some more info about him & his several projects !!! ;-) anyway ... he's indeed released some pretty interestin' "stuff" over the years - also jus' recently ;-) - & there are some nice tunes on his new double-album & i already played a track called "electric bodyrock" ( ;-) in one of my last radio shows too !!! ( oops ... even more shameless self-promotion here !!! *hehehe* ;-))) > He seems to enjoy wasting time talking about something he hates. fyi : the whole concept of his band called atari teenage riot ( or simply atr ;-) was based around HATE against [ fill in whatever u like ... err ... HATE !!! ] & such "stuff" !!! :-o u may also call the music of his band atr "electro punk" , if u like !!! *G+* ;-) > As bad as KW might seem to him, they got his attention all right. ... & he's also MASSIVELY influenced by them ... no matter , if he personally likes or even denies it !!! *BWG* ;-))) lots of his less aggressive productions prove this influence very clearly then !!! ;-) btw : one of atr's most controversial slogans was "DESTROY_DEUTSCHLAND_!!!" >:-O i suppose that says it all , eh !? ;-) however ... many greetinx again , oh jay ;-) ~*~ jvr network program - june 2002 : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/program.html ( incl. live stream via internet ) studio webcam - live : http://stream.ok-bremen.de/studio.html radio show archive : http://friends.schallreflektor.com/ohjay/alien_disco playlist archive : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/playlists brand new website release soon @ http://www.jointventureradio.net & also http://www.jointventureradio.org *~\^/~*

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( re : ) the diff'rence between "a beatbox" & "beatboxin'" !!! *sly_grin* ;-)
by Oh Jay 06 Jun '02

06 Jun '02

thanx to a reply of enrique , i can now set some things straight !!! ;-) i once wrote myself already some days ago : > ... a part of hip hop (beatboxing) ... then amir replied : > Every band and their mothers used beat boxes. *LOL* ;-))) yeah ... of course !!! *hehehe* ;-))) but when i wrote "a part of hip hop ( beatboxin' )" , then i VERY_CLEARLY referred to THE_HUMAN_BEATBOX & NOT to the machine called "beatbox" !!! *BWG* ;-))) have i made this point clear by now ... finally & forever !? *G+* ;-) today enrique wrote : > but Karl Bartos once said that "Beatbox" from Art of Noise > was the main reason for "Boing Boom Tschak" to be. that's indeed pretty interestin' & could mean that kw were also influenced by the arrt of noise then !!! *ROTFLOL* ;-))) well ... things on this list are gettin' much funnier today ... & i must admit that i really like it like that !!! *VBS* :-))) however ... many greetinx again , oh jay ;-) ~*~ jvr network program - june 2002 : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/program.html ( incl. live stream via internet ) studio webcam - live : http://stream.ok-bremen.de/studio.html radio show archive : http://friends.schallreflektor.com/ohjay/alien_disco playlist archive : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/playlists brand new website release soon @ http://www.jointventureradio.net & also http://www.jointventureradio.org *~\^/~*

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Re: The Mix and Work
by Oh Jay 06 Jun '02

06 Jun '02

From: anthony.ristic(a)btopenworld.com > Anyway, I have just secured a copy of Orbital's new 'greatest hits' album, > "Work 1989-2002". fyi : i'm a fan of orbital for almost a decade by now & it's VERY_LIKELY that i'll play both , their new song "frenetic" & also the new version of their hit "chime" ( live style mix ) in my next radio show ( see the linx below !!! ;-) on sunday @ 18:00 cet ( central european time , which is gmt + 1 hour ;-) !!! *G+* ;-) > Look forward to seeing there if you are already a convert. i'm sorry , but that's simply not possible for me to come to that event as i'm XXX-tremely busy on that particular day & involved in a big event called "vision parade / vision park" ( for more info go to : http://www.vision-parade.de ;-) in my hometown bremen in northern germany !!! *smirk* :o} p. s. : PLEASE_DON'T quote the whole digest in your reply the next time , dear anthony !!! ;-) however ... many greetinx , oh jay ( a.k.a. deejay doc jones ;-) ~*~ jvr network program - june 2002 : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/program.html ( incl. live stream via internet ) studio webcam - live : http://stream.ok-bremen.de/studio.html radio show archive : http://friends.schallreflektor.com/ohjay/alien_disco playlist archive : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/playlists brand new website release soon @ http://www.jointventureradio.net & also http://www.jointventureradio.org *~\^/~*

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Die Stimme der Energie: Toward an Interpretation of the Gesamtkunstwerk of Kraftwerk
by Luca Dassi 06 Jun '02

06 Jun '02

The title says it all... interesting reading. http://kebnekajse.tripod.com/stimme.html Ciao, Luca

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