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Jimmy's Latest Art Attack
by Jerry Quartley 18 Jun '08

18 Jun '08

http://www.supertouchart.com/2008/06/17/london-callingbillboard-liberationo…

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Re: [KLF] Spanish locations in "The White Room" in another, earlier rock movie
by John Milne 18 Jun '08

18 Jun '08

Flicker, that's a good idea! I shall get onto it. Sorry to show my ignorance, by the way, but is Granada an area or a town, or both? Anyone know? (PS - I used to have a friend from Andalucia; she told me how proud she was to see BD hold a map of her home area in one of the shots of TWR!) PPS. Just found it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25782209@N02/2422755067/ Castillo de La Calahorra. Now find the observatory! > Message Received: Jun 14 2008, 09:09 PM > From: "Juli Mallett" <jmallett(a)FreeBSD.org> > To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Cc: > Subject: Re: [KLF] Spanish locations in "The White Room" in another, earlier rock movie > > > Working out the location shouldn't be too hard by means of looking > through photos on flickr of castles in Andalucia. I've found one in a > very similar style so far, but it's made of the wrong material and in > a very different sort of landscape. More eyes probably would have > better luck :) > > On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 12:40 PM, John Milne > <john(a)highlandland.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: > > > > There's also a shot of a tractor that's practically identical - and Adam Faith can be spotted in the same square as Bill Drummond. > > > > Sadly, nothing more specific re: locations than "Granada, Andalucia" - but it's an interesting bit of trivia. > > > > John > > > >> Message Received: Jun 14 2008, 07:57 PM > >> From: "Jon doe" <jondoe(a)clsmweb.fsnet.co.uk> > >> To: john(a)highlandland.fsnet.co.uk, "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >> Cc: > >> Subject: Re: [KLF] Spanish locations in "The White Room" in another, earlier rock movie > >> > >> both have sheep noises too! > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "John Milne" <john(a)highlandland.fsnet.co.uk> > >> To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:52 PM > >> Subject: [KLF] Spanish locations in "The White Room" in another, earlier > >> rock movie > >> > >> > >> > > >> > People may know about this already, but I watching the David Essex movie > >> > "Stardust" on Saturday night. The film ends with Essex's rockstar > >> > character moving to Granada in Andalucia, and living in a castle on a > >> > hill. I'm 100% sure it's the castle from "The White Room". In fact, it's > >> > very odd to see it in another movie! Also, the mountains, fields, farmers > >> > and towns of the surrounding area appear in "Stardust" too (although, not > >> > the observatory from the very end of TWR). > >> > > >> > Of course, the whole "White Room" is on Youtube - as is "Stardust". > >> > > >> > To compare castles, check part 4 of TWR: > >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82Rywtj2zvE and fast forward to 2.58. > >> > > >> > Then, check part 9 of Stardust: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s72Vje3kcgs > >> > and fast forward to 4.00. > >> > > >> > Filmed 15 years apart, you can see that the tower and door into the > >> > castles are identical, as is two small pieces of "wood" (?) sticking out > >> > of the castle wall above the doorframe. And of course, the hill were Bill > >> > runs down is also featured in "Stardust" with delivery trucks arriving. > >> > > >> > Anyone think that Bill and Jimmy picked this location on purpose - or is > >> > it a very, very, very unlikely coincidence? > >> > > >> > John > >> > > >> > http://inverarities.blog.co.uk/ > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > KLF mailing list > >> > KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com > >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf > >> > Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KLF mailing list > > KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf > > Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > KLF mailing list > KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf > Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com > >

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Re: [KLF] Truckstop Jams (?)
by John Milne 16 Jun '08

16 Jun '08

No, like all the best plans, it went agley. The CD/cassette or whatever didn't appear (although "Truckstop JAMs" started to take on a life of its own, appearing as specialist mixes on last.fm, etc) There was a wiki, however, which can be found here: http://klf.johnl.org/wiki/start. I have no idea if the links still work. The place was partially-vandalised by a bravely anonymous fellow (who also frequents this board seemingly) including some spirited personal attacks on me. No one could agree on the tracklisting, either. So it died. Some other Truckstop JAMs downloads are (still?) available here: http://www.klf.de/downloads/index.php?category_id=42&download_id=7 > Message Received: Jun 16 2008, 07:26 PM > From: "MBV Arkestra" <mbv_ark(a)yahoo.ca> > To: klf(a)mailman.xmission.com > Cc: > Subject: [KLF] Truckstop Jams (?) > > > Out of curiosity - was reading some older posts - did this ever get completed (cover art and all)? I noticed one link to a megaupload version of the mix - which I never got to hear myself - anyone wanna re-upload it? > > I was just pondering making a "hits" for my BlackBerry (limited storage, seemed an interesting way to get some KLF without loading the entire SIM with one band LOL)... and had vague recollections of this, so figured I'd ask. > > While asking about collections... did the "Remodelled & Remixed" CD ever get released as an actual disc, or was it always just MP3s? > > Thanks all - been having a Mu-sorta week... > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ > > _______________________________________________ > KLF mailing list > KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf > Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com > >

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Re: [KLF] Spanish locations in "The White Room" in another, earlier rock movie
by John Milne 15 Jun '08

15 Jun '08

Or the place names in "Chill Out"? Or that "Boston ... Toeldo ... Detroit" list on the full mix of A:WTIL? I do wonder if Jura and/or Andalucia are the best places for anything KLF-related - especially the observatory! People who live there would probably say "no" pretty quickly, especially in such tourist-important areas. Actually, a few years ago i suggested a KLFestival near Banff in Scotland, where I used to live at the time. Some of the longer-serving posters on here may remember (where is Paul Guiterrez, btw, is he still around?) that I was going to try and get something going at Tarlair Swimming Pool, a disused and haunting art deco open air pool in Macduff, Aberdeenshire (as in "the rest of the crew were all Buckie men, but the skipper was from Macduff"). That was summer 2003. Then I got into a flame war with someone and (I admit) stormed off the list for a while. Also (I admit) I was rather scared at legal/health and safety implications of a few hundred 18-40 KLF fans, possibly taking drugs in a public place! :-) John > Message Received: Jun 15 2008, 08:00 PM > From: "micah stupak" <micah(a)benthic.cc> > To: john(a)highlandland.fsnet.co.uk, "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Cc: > Subject: Re: [KLF] Spanish locations in "The White Room" in another, earlier rock movie > > On 15 Jun 2008, at 3.32, John Milne wrote: > > > Hmm ... maybe THIS would be a better place to make a KLF > > "pilgrimage" than Stockwell! :-) > > > well, in my mind, it's either that or jura. however, an excessively > single-minded individual may want to attempt going to everyplace in > IGUN, perhaps in order. ;) > > --- > micah stupak > micah(a)benthic.cc > oblique strategy: > > >

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Re: [KLF] Spanish locations in "The White Room" in another, earlier rock movie
by John Milne 15 Jun '08

15 Jun '08

Found the observatory too. It's called the Camino al Observatorio de Sierra Nevada. And a photo, in fact a whole photostream, is here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/juandesant/220926388/. It seems you can visit both the castle and the observatory during the summer. The observatory's full English website is here: http://www.osn.iaa.es/osn_eng.html Also, this link:http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0solFXjIK8MC&pg=PA577&lpg=PA577&dq=La+Calahorra+observatory&source=web&ots=o-m7wEqCud&sig=E8UNMXESOE70ildn5449vyupo9s&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result brings up a guide book which mentions the roads Bill and Jimmy drove on up into the snow level at the end of TWR. Hmm ... maybe THIS would be a better place to make a KLF "pilgrimage" than Stockwell! :-) John > Message Received: Jun 14 2008, 09:09 PM > From: "Juli Mallett" <jmallett(a)FreeBSD.org> > To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Cc: > Subject: Re: [KLF] Spanish locations in "The White Room" in another, earlier rock movie > > > Working out the location shouldn't be too hard by means of looking > through photos on flickr of castles in Andalucia. I've found one in a > very similar style so far, but it's made of the wrong material and in > a very different sort of landscape. More eyes probably would have > better luck :) > > On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 12:40 PM, John Milne > <john(a)highlandland.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: > > > > There's also a shot of a tractor that's practically identical - and Adam Faith can be spotted in the same square as Bill Drummond. > > > > Sadly, nothing more specific re: locations than "Granada, Andalucia" - but it's an interesting bit of trivia. > > > > John > > > >> Message Received: Jun 14 2008, 07:57 PM > >> From: "Jon doe" <jondoe(a)clsmweb.fsnet.co.uk> > >> To: john(a)highlandland.fsnet.co.uk, "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >> Cc: > >> Subject: Re: [KLF] Spanish locations in "The White Room" in another, earlier rock movie > >> > >> both have sheep noises too! > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "John Milne" <john(a)highlandland.fsnet.co.uk> > >> To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:52 PM > >> Subject: [KLF] Spanish locations in "The White Room" in another, earlier > >> rock movie > >> > >> > >> > > >> > People may know about this already, but I watching the David Essex movie > >> > "Stardust" on Saturday night. The film ends with Essex's rockstar > >> > character moving to Granada in Andalucia, and living in a castle on a > >> > hill. I'm 100% sure it's the castle from "The White Room". In fact, it's > >> > very odd to see it in another movie! Also, the mountains, fields, farmers > >> > and towns of the surrounding area appear in "Stardust" too (although, not > >> > the observatory from the very end of TWR). > >> > > >> > Of course, the whole "White Room" is on Youtube - as is "Stardust". > >> > > >> > To compare castles, check part 4 of TWR: > >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82Rywtj2zvE and fast forward to 2.58. > >> > > >> > Then, check part 9 of Stardust: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s72Vje3kcgs > >> > and fast forward to 4.00. > >> > > >> > Filmed 15 years apart, you can see that the tower and door into the > >> > castles are identical, as is two small pieces of "wood" (?) sticking out > >> > of the castle wall above the doorframe. And of course, the hill were Bill > >> > runs down is also featured in "Stardust" with delivery trucks arriving. > >> > > >> > Anyone think that Bill and Jimmy picked this location on purpose - or is > >> > it a very, very, very unlikely coincidence? > >> > > >> > John > >> > > >> > http://inverarities.blog.co.uk/ > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > KLF mailing list > >> > KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com > >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf > >> > Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KLF mailing list > > KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf > > Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > KLF mailing list > KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf > Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com > >

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Re: [KLF] Spanish locations in "The White Room" in another, earlier rock movie
by John Milne 14 Jun '08

14 Jun '08

There's also a shot of a tractor that's practically identical - and Adam Faith can be spotted in the same square as Bill Drummond. Sadly, nothing more specific re: locations than "Granada, Andalucia" - but it's an interesting bit of trivia. John > Message Received: Jun 14 2008, 07:57 PM > From: "Jon doe" <jondoe(a)clsmweb.fsnet.co.uk> > To: john(a)highlandland.fsnet.co.uk, "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Cc: > Subject: Re: [KLF] Spanish locations in "The White Room" in another, earlier rock movie > > both have sheep noises too! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Milne" <john(a)highlandland.fsnet.co.uk> > To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:52 PM > Subject: [KLF] Spanish locations in "The White Room" in another, earlier > rock movie > > > > > > People may know about this already, but I watching the David Essex movie > > "Stardust" on Saturday night. The film ends with Essex's rockstar > > character moving to Granada in Andalucia, and living in a castle on a > > hill. I'm 100% sure it's the castle from "The White Room". In fact, it's > > very odd to see it in another movie! Also, the mountains, fields, farmers > > and towns of the surrounding area appear in "Stardust" too (although, not > > the observatory from the very end of TWR). > > > > Of course, the whole "White Room" is on Youtube - as is "Stardust". > > > > To compare castles, check part 4 of TWR: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82Rywtj2zvE and fast forward to 2.58. > > > > Then, check part 9 of Stardust: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s72Vje3kcgs > > and fast forward to 4.00. > > > > Filmed 15 years apart, you can see that the tower and door into the > > castles are identical, as is two small pieces of "wood" (?) sticking out > > of the castle wall above the doorframe. And of course, the hill were Bill > > runs down is also featured in "Stardust" with delivery trucks arriving. > > > > Anyone think that Bill and Jimmy picked this location on purpose - or is > > it a very, very, very unlikely coincidence? > > > > John > > > > http://inverarities.blog.co.uk/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KLF mailing list > > KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf > > Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com > > > > >

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Spanish locations in "The White Room" in another, earlier rock movie
by John Milne 14 Jun '08

14 Jun '08

People may know about this already, but I watching the David Essex movie "Stardust" on Saturday night. The film ends with Essex's rockstar character moving to Granada in Andalucia, and living in a castle on a hill. I'm 100% sure it's the castle from "The White Room". In fact, it's very odd to see it in another movie! Also, the mountains, fields, farmers and towns of the surrounding area appear in "Stardust" too (although, not the observatory from the very end of TWR). Of course, the whole "White Room" is on Youtube - as is "Stardust". To compare castles, check part 4 of TWR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82Rywtj2zvE and fast forward to 2.58. Then, check part 9 of Stardust: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s72Vje3kcgs and fast forward to 4.00. Filmed 15 years apart, you can see that the tower and door into the castles are identical, as is two small pieces of "wood" (?) sticking out of the castle wall above the doorframe. And of course, the hill were Bill runs down is also featured in "Stardust" with delivery trucks arriving. Anyone think that Bill and Jimmy picked this location on purpose - or is it a very, very, very unlikely coincidence? John http://inverarities.blog.co.uk/

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On Second Thought The KLF - Chill Out
by RMStringer 14 Jun '08

14 Jun '08

For those who might have missed the article. By: Scott Plagenhoef Published on: 2003-09-01 for better or worse, we here at Stylus, in all of our autocratic consumer-crit greed, are slaves to timeliness. A record over six months old is often discarded, deemed too old for publication, a relic in the internet age. That's why each week at Stylus, one writer takes a look at an album with the benefit of time. Whether it has been unjustly ignored, unfairly lauded, or misunderstood in some fundamental way, we aim with On Second Thought to provide a fresh look at albums that need it. The America of Chill Out is a warning and respite, and increasingly, it's unfamiliar. Truth be told, open spaces make me nervous- I need urban claustrophobia-so perhaps this is my substitute for escape. But when I delve into it, I increasingly find a dated world that I have never and never wanted to visit, yet somehow feel that it-pre-prefab, fiercely regional, uncomplicated-should be lamented. >From sonic terrorists to art world absurdists to clever peaceniks, there's little way to condense the career of the KLF. They never did anything quietly-except this, a masterpiece that casually belied the tongues in their cheek. Still, it's not straight-faced-there is wit under the ambiance. If it's meant to be sneering, if the KLF are slowed to a near halt here because they are gapers on the highways of the Tex-Mex border, I've never heard it. True, the duo has probably never been to Texas-and this record is most likely an illuminated and romanticized idea of traveling though the South and of America as a land of wide, open spaces-but in the hands of fellow provincials and rural dwellers, I only hear the sounds of the last bastion of American regionalism struggling to assert itself in the face of suburbia, ironically, through the tools of technology. There are a lot of legends surrounding the KLF and deliciously most of them are true. The legend says that this album was made editing a huge "White Room" session lasting more than 480 minutes. The truth seems to be that Bill Drummond and Jimmy Cauty recorded the album live-without edits, and in one take- at their Trancentral studio. According to Record Collector, the entire album, made with two DAT machines and a cassette recorder, was attempted several times over the course of two days, and if a mistake was made, they started again. Either way it's a tall tale that would make any Texan proud. At the time of its release, Chill Out was among the leading lights of Ambient House. This record, along with works by contemporaries (and sometimes collaborators) the Orb and, to a lesser degree, Ultramarine and the FSOL, became the soundtrack for chill out rooms, post-rave comedowns, and smoking spliffs, and in hindsight have been shackled with the albatross of hippiedom. If Chill Out is Ambient House, the "house" bit is sort of a misnomer, associating the record with its clientele rather than any sounds. Whereas the Orb kept much of house's four-on-the-floor, mid-tempo speed, and repetition, and blended it with prog and Eno, this much closer to ambient music or John Cage's musique concrete, and his belief that the phonograph can be a composition for "motor, wind, heartbeat, and landslide." That description is fairly apt. Fittingly, after a night of synthetic thrills-musical and mind-altering-the trip home or the next morning seemed a perfect time for the acid house generation to commune with the natural world. Fortunately this communing with nature doesn't mean pseudo-spiritual stream sounds or fantastical, uplifting new age music but the quiet of undisturbed nature, (birds, livestock), slightly interrupted by modernity (automobiles, the radio, trains, boats.) The band also uses radio voices, "Jesus Loves You" samples, preachers, and, um, Fleetwood Mac. Always self-referential-in part through economic necessity-recyclical, fragments of songs they performed in past and future incarnations, most notably "3AM Eternal"; and "Justified and Ancient," also appear. Despite the increasing embrace of technology, there aren't many (or any?) albums like this anymore. Maybe that's because there isn't a universal dance crowd these days the way there was in the UK during the heights of acid house and rave. Just as the dance fans have scattered to different subgenres for their thrills, there is no universal comedown. Perhaps this sort of field recordings and process music lives on in Akufen's trek through the radio dial or the work of Godspeed You Black Emperor! or the Books, but the latter two are too steeped in joylessness, chaos, and despair to make any serious link. Drone musicians such as Stars of the Lid or ambient electonic records such as Gas's Pop or Autechre's Amber are slightly similar in feel but not execution. And those slow washes of sound are not only without the wit or the transcendence of this record, they make no attempt to connect organically to lives the way the KLF marvelously do. Today, ambient has long been annexed by chillout-a term defined again by its purpose, its use by a listener rather than its sound. Today, chillout is an escape from the hustle and bustle of urban living. It was to unwind specifically after being out all night not after the grind of the 9-to-5 day. The sleek, cosmopolitan of today's fashionista chillout compilations are well selected for dwelling alongside functional modernist furniture, hosting dinner parties, and making everything-including music-an accessory. They are affectations of borrowed sophistication, another slice of luxury. The KLF's version nearly the opposite. Chill Out is a drive through a land populated by the simple, uneducated. When Elvis rears his iconic head it's not for a porch swing ballad or a grandstand shimmy but to lament the plight of those "In the Ghetto"-and over heavily reverbed Hawaiian guitar of all things. The rest of the voices heard are largely anonymous. The ambient noises could come from almost any American rural outpost, but the people are Southern. It's a remarkable achievement, in a way-capturing the languid pace of Deep South life but not dressing up its quaint, down-home charm or waggling at its stubborn pride. The KLF skips the steel magnolias and the truck pulls for the roadhouses and shacks. The original UK version is one long track. I have the U.S. version, which-although it plays the same-is split into 14 titled tracks in order to accommodate publishing rights and songwriting royalties to those the band sampled. With titles such as "Pulling Out of Ricardo and the Dusk Is Falling" and "3 a.m. Somewhere out of Beaumont," it also marks spots on the imagined journey. It sounds more like a travel diary, with the incessant "are we there yet," and the truck stops, and landmarks that add to the charm of the highway strip. The cover's pastoral sun-drenched English farm complete with lounging lazy sheep belies the album's content. It's not midday it's dawn-in America. Although it was treated as such, this isn't a comedown album. It's less a morning after and more the slow awakening to a new day. I rarely listen to it without taking it all in and, even though it is designed that way, I wind up focusing on it more often than not. I never choose to listen to it as a background, I choose to become enveloped in its slowly unveiling soundscape. When I do, it hits slowly but it always comes. Like the groggy feeling of setting out somewhere just after dawn, focusing on the road and suddenly realizing the day has broke and the gray of dawn has been transformed into an illuminating sunshine, the album slowly unfolds its charms. When a trip is over, the ride is remembered for everything except the driving. Much like our lives, the more monotonous they are the more the slightest disturbance or thrill resonates, and the busier and more rushed the less of our natural surroundings we comprehend. Here the foggy mind strains to recall much except when the coffee went cold, a rumbling train, the half-remembered echoing sound of the radio, or the beauty of a rising sun-and it's a lovely memory. RMStringer ++++++++++++++++++ My BLOG: <http://renigade.blogspot.com/> BOB's Thoughts... Link - http://renigade.blogspot.com/ My Camera: <http://www.dpreview.com/news/0801/08010701sonydslra200.asp> Sony DSLR a200 My Pictures: <http://www.flickr.com/rmstringer> RMStringer Link - www.flickr.com/rmstringer

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Score!
by Chromatest J. Pantsmaker 12 Jun '08

12 Jun '08

My house-mate went shopping in Los Angeles over the weekend and he brought me back a copy of 1987 on CD (B&M-1). The discog says there were 3000 of these bootlegs pressed in 1991. I'm pretty stoked! -- .sig -Chromatest J. Pantsmaker http://www.chromatest.net

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Re: [KLF] KLF imports and remixes
by Tim Tim 11 Jun '08

11 Jun '08

I Love both DM & KLF, so when the 2 collaborated It was awsome! If they worked together again what would they do? Maybe 'Enjoy the Black Room' or perhaps Depeche Mode Joins the Jams! ----- Original Message ---- From: micah stupak <micah(a)benthic.cc> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, 11 June, 2008 1:27:26 AM Subject: Re: [KLF] KLF imports and remixes On 10 Jun 2008, at 15.52, cars10 wrote: > not sure if this indicates a special taste for mode.... when I got > round listening to it I found the excitement seeing KLF mentioned on > the sleeve was bigger than the actual listening. So the effort they > made in remixing PSB was way bigger imho. hm, i thought it was a pretty good remix. best remix of that track, at least. --- micah stupak micah(a)benthic.cc oblique strategy: change instrument roles _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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