November 2002 - KLF - mailman.xmission.com

RE: [KLF] [ot] Kopy protection
by Stuart Bruce 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

> -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Robinson [mailto:andrew@bml.co.uk] > Sent: 20 November 2002 14:11 > To: klf(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [KLF] [ot] Kopy protection > There is a weird inability to scale back promotion and > expenditure with > the major labels. But isn't that because if one label cuts back on promotion and expenditure, then because the other labels are all promoting as much as before, all that happens is that the artists on one label disappear without trace through under-exposure. It's that vicious cycle I mentioned, no one label is strong enough to break the trend. > Another factor is the self-inflicted bad value for money rules on CD > singles, where you can only have 3 tracks totaling 20 minutes > to qualify > as a single (as opposed to 4 and 40 minutes). If the record companies > deliberately give us worse value for money, of course sales will fall! This was pressure from a small number particular artists & labels to change the chart rules because dance singles were being more successful than indie singles. However plenty of record labels are feeling the effect of the resultant drop in sales and to say it's self-inflicted wouldn't be completely true. > > > whole load of people out there who still don't have the > > > bandwidth/time/knowledge to download MP3's, so surely the > > > whole percentage > > > fall can't be attributed to people who download this stuff! > > > > Not the whole percentage fall. But a significant portion of > it is caused by the availability > > of bootlegs. > > Don't forget the drop in sales is caused by the gradual decline in > people who are replacing old vinyl albums with new CDs of the same > material. Once we have all repurchased the ones we want, that > market collapses. There are several reasons why album profits as a whole are dropping. The fact that vinyl collections have been replaced is one, bootlegging is another, the internet providing a cheaper place to buy is a small factor. It all bundles in together into what basically is a long-term recession in the music industry. Stuart. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/2002 ______________________________________________________________________ Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ENDEMOL UK plc unless specifically stated. This email and the information it contains are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately and delete the copy you have received from your system. You should not copy it for any purpose, re-transmit it, use it or disclose its contents to any other person. If you suspect the message may have been intercepted or amended please call the sender.

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Re: [KLF] [ot] Copy protection
by Thomas Touzimsky 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

> The big record companies (such as BMG) are starting to put copy > protection on all CDs, which means they won't play in many portable and > car CD players. BMG is in fact the german publisher of Kosheen - or at least the CD single I got. Funny enough, I could mp3 the whole album without problems... [???] > This is an acceptable fault apparently, since it stops > piracy, so it's ok to stop genuine listeners who've paid for it from > listening to their own damn album. I doubt UK CDs will be different. Funny enough, this is what the FAQ of the german BMG copy control page tells us... --- 1.Warum kann ich eigentlich mit meiner CD nicht machen, was ich will? Man zahlt entgegen dem allgemeinen Sprachgebrauch nicht für die CD, sondern für die Musik, die auf ihr enthalten ist. Im Grunde kann man eine CD mit einer Konzertkarte vergleichen. Weder bei dem Pappkärtchen noch bei der Plastikscheibe spielt der Materialwert eine nennenswerte Rolle. Und wie bei der Konzertkarte erwirbt man auch beim Kauf einer CD grundsätzlich nur das Recht, die Musik zu hören. --- (c-Row translates...) 1. Why can't I do whatever I want with my CD ? Opposite to the usual understanding, you don't pay for the CD but for the music that plays on it, just like you pay for a concert ticket. In both cases, the material worth is not comparable to what you get for it. And, like the concert ticket, buying a CD only allows you to listen to the music. --- Opinions please... --- Thomas Touzimsky same shit // different day

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[ot] Copy protection
by Thomas Touzimsky 19 Nov '02

19 Nov '02

I bought myself the new (in Germany at least) Kosheen maxi "Hungry", but thanks to paranoid publishers, I am cursed with their copy protection, making it impossible for me to record the tracks on the CD to mp3. Are CDs in the UK copy protected as well ? If not, I would order my CDs from the UK from now on... (what had the advantage that, unlike Germany, the UK stores sell both discs of a 2disc set, so it is easier to get all the mixes) --- Thomas Touzimsky same shit // different day

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Re: [KLF] [ot] Copy protection
by Nigel Armstrong 19 Nov '02

19 Nov '02

Thomas wrote: > I finally found a CD/DVD drive that accepted the copy-protected Kosheen CD > and was able to rip the songs to wav files (no magic marker or anything), > which brings me to the conclusion that, after all, the copy protection was > another useless effort to fill company executives' money bags. Another (undefeatable) way round it - stupidly simple, albeit slow - is to take the digital output from a conventional CD player and feed it into a suitably-equipped soundcard. N.

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server
by RMStringer 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

I changed out motherboards and processors this weekend. Fucking much faster!! The server is back up and running!! RMStringer " You Have No Conscience And IT Seems You Never Will" Nothing Stays - Cyberaktif

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[off topic] Leftfield
by Thomas Touzimsky 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

This might be the wrong mailing list to ask... well, not too wrong at all. Does anybody out there own any live recordings of Leftfield's live appearances ? I could offer a copy of the Homelands gig in exchange. Sorry for being off-topic today... --- Thomas Touzimsky same shit // different day

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Silent Protest
by John 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

http://www.brendanoneill.net/archives/000039.html http://www.chaosmusic.com/shop/news_item.asp?newsItemID=8639 http://www.organart.demon.co.uk/organnews39.htm

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BIG IN JAPAN
by JUSTIFIED 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

and finally for those who 're interested.. an Interview with Jane Casey (singer of Big In Japan / Pink Industry) /talks about Bill http://www.appelstein.com/cif/jaynecasey.html ____________________________ SIGUE SIGUE SPUTNIK RULES!

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Big In Japan
by JUSTIFIED 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

Dunno Folks if already posted here... but pics of the early 70's punk band group are rare to find http://www.fgth.nl/warriors/past/holly/thisisholly3/thisisholly3.html ____________________________ SIGUE SIGUE SPUTNIK RULES!

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RE: [KLF] KLF in the media...
by Stuart Bruce 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

> -----Original Message----- > From: John [mailto:k@fnord.demon.co.uk] > Sent: 13 November 2002 18:28 > To: klf(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [KLF] KLF in the media... > Some photos, documentation and various other musing about my > experience > of meeting up with Mr. Drummond and his entourage in Wales in the next > few days or so hopefully... Have any of the photos surfaced from the Barbican event. It's been nearly three weeks since the event and klf.de still promises "photos soon", which is a bit slack considering that some of that site's 'staff' flew internationally to attend... <grin> Stuart. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/2002 ______________________________________________________________________ Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ENDEMOL UK plc unless specifically stated. This email and the information it contains are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately and delete the copy you have received from your system. You should not copy it for any purpose, re-transmit it, use it or disclose its contents to any other person. If you suspect the message may have been intercepted or amended please call the sender.

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