anyone interested can read my review of talisman at: <http://www.squidsear.com/cgi-bin/news/newsView.cgi?newsID=20> and some further painkiller reading: <http://www.squidsear.com/cgi-bin/news/newsView.cgi?newsID=232> <http://www.squidsear.com/cgi-bin/news/newsView.cgi?newsID=263> cheers kg np: phantomsmasher _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your current Internet access and enjoy patented spam control and more. Get two months FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa