Re: El-P (or, the old rap/hiphop thread ...)
* Dgasque@aol.com:
Anyone picked up on El-P's _Fantastic Damage_ CD? If this isn't the most warped stuff I've heard in a while, then someone spiked my coffee with an unknown hydrochloride. I'm not much of a rap fan, but this stuff is absolutely insane...
Sure. ;) Got it a week before it came out, I believe, but I'm a long time fan of El-P/Co-Flow/Def Jux etc. Easily in the top 5, if not hip hop LP of the year. Haven't heard the new Shadow yet, but I'm hoping it'll be in there too. -Patrick NP: Rolling Stones - "Let It Bleed"
I think that "Fantastic Damage" is easily the worst thing to come out of the Def Jux crew and EL-P, ever. I must be the only who doesn't like it! The production is noisy, and horrible....it's like a pale reflection of what EL-P did for Cannibal Ox's "the cold vein." I also can't stand EL-P's constant "angry" schtick. Whereas many MC's (such as Gang Starr's Encore) and the guys from People Under the Stairs can deliver violently angry flows while maintaining their composure and tightness (ok, so I suck with adjectives right now), EL-P just turns into a sputtering mess the angrier he gets. I'm no hater or anything- "The cold vein" and Company Flow's "Little johnny from the hospital" are some of my favorite production jobs EVER. But "Fantastic Damage" is just noisy and out of control. Now, continuing with frustration- was anybody else horribly dissapointed by Zorn's recent "IAO"? I love the "death metal" track with patton and laswell, and I love the female chorus track, but the rest of the album just soudns like Cyro Baptista wanking for eleven minutes at a time while someone adds entirely affected "spooky" atmospherics. As far as the new DJ Shadow....I've had it for about 2 months, and it's very good....not life changing like his earlier stuff, but still an excellent instrumental hip hop album.
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Now, continuing with frustration- was anybody else horribly dissapointed by Zorn's recent "IAO"? I love the "death metal" track with patton and laswell, and I love the female chorus track, but the rest of the album just soudns like Cyro Baptista wanking for eleven minutes at a time while someone adds entirely affected "spooky" atmospherics.
You know, I thought it was fun in the same way "Taboo and Exile" was fun -- some metal here, percussion there, ambient over there, and so on. But the best part of "IAO" is really the gorgeous packaging. (Okay, the "Lucifer Rising" track is great.) It's not bad, but it's stuff that, say, Nurse With Wound, Meshuggah (in particular the last track off the "Chaosphere" album), Igor Wakhevitch, Ligeti -- and Zorn himself -- have done before. And better. Later, Ben nr: j.k. rowling, "harry potter and the prisoner of azkaban" [the semester's finally over!] http://members.tripod.com/~tamad2/ ICQ: thewilyfilipino / Yahoo!: sunny70
Hey all, I am a guitarist, who normally plays jazz (straight ahead - to really modern zorn type stuff) I have been playing bass in a metal band for about a year, its kind of a joke thing we made up with three jazz musicians playing metal. So most of the stuff that we have been doing (slayer, pantera etc) has been pretty easy...but recently we have started to get into Meshuggah. And I am completly blown away by the complexity of their music....i know their name has been mentioned a couple times. I know this might seem a stupid question...but how does this group related to zorn and modern jazz related music? John ===== John LeGassey Banjology@yahoo.com AOL Messenger - GtrJazz9 Yahoo Messenger - GtrJazz9 Guitarist - Instructor __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
a stupid question...but how does this group related to zorn and modern jazz related music?
I was driving Ken Vandermak when he was in my hometown, to play with DKV. We were waiting for Hamid Drake to go out from the hotel, I was playing System of a Down in the car. It's good music when you like speeding. Ken told me "if you like this, you have to try Meshuggah, you will love it". I did. I don't "love" it, but I must admit, it's advanced and complex. The only "boring" thing is pretty flat level of "emotion", it's like most metal groups - headbanging all the time. In this particular aspect, it's opposite to jazz. __________________________________________________________________ Artur Nowak [arno at emd dot pl] www.emd.pl/muzyka
Artur Nowak wrote:
I was driving Ken Vandermak when he was in my hometown, to play with DKV. We were waiting for Hamid Drake to go out from the hotel, I was playing System of a Down in the car. It's good music when you like speeding. Ken told me "if you like this, you have to try Meshuggah, you will love it". I did. I don't "love" it, but I must admit, it's advanced and complex. The only "boring" thing is pretty flat level of "emotion", it's like most metal groups - headbanging all the time. In this particular aspect, it's opposite to jazz.
The 'flat level of emotion' is why I don't like a most complex metal. Back when I was a metal musician I considered Atheist, Cynic, and to a lesser extent, Death, the pinnacles of that particular genre. Nothing I've heard so far comes close, as far as being _both_ advanced and emotionally involving. I'm open to suggestions, however. Anyone? TIA, mikah
list, i concur, my friends and i all dig dillinger esc plan, (sorry for bringing it up :) but would prefer or be interested in using a non-screamer in the genre of complex metal/hardcore... if you can stand the lesser stuff, (which isn't too bad IMHO...mudvayne has some emotion, some complexities etc. good stuff. though i must say that i haven't listened to meshuggah yet (although now im planning on it). on the other side of complexity... i recently heard (not much yet) of the dischord band 'faraquet.' more math rock, but doesnt seem to pretentiously shun intellectualism they way one might characterized some of the ideas of the non-prog "mathers." amor fati, square thomas --- mcazurin <mikah@ceruleansoftware.com> wrote:
Artur Nowak wrote:
I was driving Ken Vandermak when he was in my hometown, to play with DKV. We were waiting for Hamid Drake to go out from the hotel, I was playing System of a Down in the car. It's good music when you like speeding. Ken told me "if you like this, you have to try Meshuggah, you will love it". I did. I don't "love" it, but I must admit, it's advanced and complex. The only "boring" thing is pretty flat level of "emotion", it's like most metal groups - headbanging all the time. In this particular aspect, it's opposite to jazz.
The 'flat level of emotion' is why I don't like a most complex metal. Back when I was a metal musician I considered Atheist, Cynic, and to a lesser extent, Death, the pinnacles of that particular genre. Nothing I've heard so far comes close, as far as being _both_ advanced and emotionally involving. I'm open to suggestions, however. Anyone?
TIA,
mikah
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