on 14/2/03 22:36, MorMovies@aol.com at MorMovies@aol.com scribed:

In a message dated 2/14/03 7:58:43 AM, ayac@sannet.ne.jp writes:

<< Please, show me one other thing on the planet that composes and/or

improvises music with intentional design; perhaps we should give it a miss?

Can't be quite natural enough for us, perhaps.

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Why isn't the creation of music natural for us? Do you have proof that proves otherwise? Are you sure we are the only animals that improvise or compose or design with sound?

Quite obviously you miss the point. The democracy of nature argument as justification for tolerating, resignedly putting up with, war (especially at this time) does not hold water, nor for anything else for that matter. That is the point. Many things we do are not natural practices of most species. Most species do not kill their own kind intentionally; they do fight and squabble and sometimes the result is death, but death is not the common or intended outcome; running away is sufficient. Additionally no other species amasses armies and wages war, and none intentionally drop tons of depleted uranium damaging the environment long term for a general population (of a politic) under attack and thus inflicting birth deformities and cancer on those populations for many many years to come (on their own troops into the bargain). (Indeed, the Gulf War veterans' association is not too happy about troops being sent back to another conflict in the Gulf, why?) To go back to nature's way; now I will go out, find a nice stream to drink from, puddle water looks gloomy, see if I can catch myself a lizard or two - or something juicier - to eat, and a bush to sleep under, away from the rain; can I have clothes, its kind of cold and I am of the hairless sort body wise? Cheers. Allan. E Endless returning, endless revolution of dream to ember, ember to anguish, anguish to flame, flame to delight, delight to dark and dream, dream to ember. Denise Levertov Sessionographies of McCoy Tyner, Charlie Parker, John Coltrane, a range of jazz resources, photographs, sociology of the art links, and with more go to up there: http://www.kyushu-ns.ac.jp/~allan/ Any information heartily appreciated, merci, arigato, graci, thanks. Also, got to this very rich Monk site, created by Jacques Ponzio: http://sojazz.org/monk/