"Zachary Steiner" <zsteiner@butler.edu> wrote:
Last night I saw a group of Tibetan monks speak about non-violence. Before they started their talk, they chanted. It was a wonderfully intense experience. I purchased the CD of their chanting and have been listening ever since. Are there instrumentalists that have used these chants as a guide for improvisation?
Without knowing what aspects of the performance and/or recordings were most compelling for you (though the sounds are extremely different, most of the use of percussion and wind instruments in Tibetan chants are as striking as the vocal approaches themselves), it's not a sure thing, but some of the circular breathing reed players like Evan Parker and Ned Rothenberg sometimes achieve similar effects; some aspects of what Pauline Oliveros and Stuart Dempster do, both as solos and as members of Deep Listening Band, also have resonance with Tibetan chanting; some of Elliott Sharp's denser pieces seem similar to me as well; and many of the electronic works by Eliane Radigue are also related (often directly as she is quite involved in Tibetan Buddhism). For me, very few Westernized uses of throat-singing by vocalists (& I'd include most of the more poppish "World Music" recordings in this category) have the depth of the Tibetan religious stuff. A couple of improvisors, Sainkho Namtchylak & Jaap Blonk for two, use some of the technique from time to time to very different effect. -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Fort Worth, TX 76147 herb@eskimo.com
Listen to also and above all David Hykes's work (you find the discography on his site http://harmonicworld.com) leader of harmonic chant in Occident and wonderful example of how the human inner sensitiveness is free from territory and time. Mario Volpe info@vel-net.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herb Levy" <herb@eskimo.com> To: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Tibetan Chants
"Zachary Steiner" <zsteiner@butler.edu> wrote:
Last night I saw a group of Tibetan monks speak about non-violence. Before they started their talk, they chanted. It was a wonderfully intense experience. I purchased the CD of their chanting and have been listening ever since. Are there instrumentalists that have used these chants as a guide for improvisation?
Without knowing what aspects of the performance and/or recordings were most compelling for you (though the sounds are extremely different, most of the use of percussion and wind instruments in Tibetan chants are as striking as the vocal approaches themselves), it's not a sure thing, but some of the circular breathing reed players like Evan Parker and Ned Rothenberg sometimes achieve similar effects; some aspects of what Pauline Oliveros and Stuart Dempster do, both as solos and as members of Deep Listening Band, also have resonance with Tibetan chanting; some of Elliott Sharp's denser pieces seem similar to me as well; and many of the electronic works by Eliane Radigue are also related (often directly as she is quite involved in Tibetan Buddhism).
For me, very few Westernized uses of throat-singing by vocalists (& I'd include most of the more poppish "World Music" recordings in this category) have the depth of the Tibetan religious stuff. A couple of improvisors, Sainkho Namtchylak & Jaap Blonk for two, use some of the technique from time to time to very different effect. -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Fort Worth, TX 76147
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On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 06:47:05 -0500 Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com> wrote:
For me, very few Westernized uses of throat-singing by vocalists (& I'd include most of the more poppish "World Music" recordings in this category) have the depth of the Tibetan religious stuff. A couple of improvisors, Sainkho Namtchylak & Jaap Blonk for two, use some of the technique from time to time to very different effect.
Here in da Bay Area, a lot of performers are using throat singing and harmonic singing to varying degrees. A very good teacher of the techniques, runs one of the better venues, Tuva Space in Berkeley, so his influence among others has helped spread its popularity. I've been doing a bit of throat singing in my performances lately, but I'm far from expert at it, and find that I can do it for only a minute or so before it gets painful. I've heard that Tuvan throat singers often completely lose their voices at a fairly young age; I don't know if that's true, but would rather not find out first hand. -- | josephzitt@josephzitt.com http://www.josephzitt.com/ | | http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt/ http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt/ | | == New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems == | | Comma / Gray Code Silence: the John Cage Discussion List |
Hi all: One example of mixed Tibetan music and improv, I'm not too sure everyone knows about is Auspicious Blazing Sun put out by Franklin Kiermyer on his(?)Sunship label. Kiermyer is a Montreal-born, NYC (?) based drummer who works in a mid-1960s Elvin Jones style and has released two or three albums with peronnel and sound comparable to Trane quartet with Jones. This album, however, features: Umdze Lodro Samphel (vocals); Dhondup Namgyal Khorko, Karma Dodul, Chimey Dorje, Sherab Sangpo, Chojor Radha, Tom Schmit (chants, gyaling, radung, toong, rolmo, silnyen, dribu, tingshag ) and Kiermyer (drums) Ken Waxman --- Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 06:47:05 -0500 Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com> wrote:
For me, very few Westernized uses of throat-singing by vocalists (& I'd include most of the more poppish "World Music"recordings in this category) have the depth of the Tibetan religious stuff.
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