This seems to me to fit in with Craig's simplistic argument that if you can't afford to buy a cd, then you have no right to listen to the music. You can't afford to buy a TV station, or the air time to broadcast a show, so you rely on the 'goodwill' & hard cash of advertisers to pay the bill for you. You don't watch the ads, you are stealing from them.
Now there's a stretch........... Good luck in debate class buddy. #1, The two situations have nothing in common whatsoever. At all. Nothing. #2, I never said that you shouldn't have the right to listen to the music. I said that you didn't have the right to own the CD. Big difference. Please don't put words in my mouth. Craig M. Rath H: fripp@attbi.com W: rathc@questarweb.com
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html ``Theft <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#TOCTheft>'' Copyright apologists often use words like ``stolen'' and ``theft'' to describe copyright infringement. At the same time, they ask us to treat the legal system as an authority on ethics: if copying is forbidden, it must be wrong. So it is pertinent to mention that the legal system--at least in the US--rejects the idea that copyright infringement is ``theft.'' Copyright apologists are making an appeal to authority...and misrepresenting what the authority says. The idea that laws decide what is right or wrong is mistaken in general. Laws are, at their best, an attempt to achieve justice; to say that laws define justice or ethical conduct is turning things upside down. ``Piracy <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#TOCPiracy>'' Publishers often refer to prohibited copying as ``piracy.'' In this way, they imply that illegal copying is ethically equivalent to attacking ships on the high seas, kidnaping and murdering the people on them. If you don't believe that illegal copying is just like kidnaping and murder, you might prefer not to use the word ``piracy'' to describe it. Neutral terms such as ``prohibited copying'' or ``unauthorized copying'' are available for use instead. Some of us might even prefer to use a positive term such as ``sharing information with your neighbor.'' Intellectual property <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#TOCIntellectualProperty>'' Publishers and lawyers like to describe copyright as ``intellectual property.'' This term carries a hidden assumption---that the most natural way to think about the issue of copying is based on an analogy with physical objects, and our ideas of them as property. But this analogy overlooks the crucial difference between material objects and information: information can be copied and shared almost effortlessly, while material objects can't be. Basing your thinking on this analogy is tantamount to ignoring that difference. Even the US legal system does not entirely accept this analogy, since it does not treat copyrights like physical object property rights. If you don't want to limit yourself to this way of thinking, it is best to avoid using the term ``intellectual property'' in your words and thoughts. There is another problem with ``intellectual property'': it is a catch-all that lumps together several disparate legal systems, including copyright, patents, trademarks, and others, which have very little in common. These systems of law originated separately, cover different activities, operate in different ways, and raise different public policy issues. For instance, if you learn a fact about copyright law, you would do well to assume it is notthe same for patent law, since that is almost always true.
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