Hi, One of my favourite Ruins CD's is the CD on the Japanese Bloody Butterfly label: Early Works: Live & Unreleased Tracks (ZIKSBB 004) This CD features their first live gig in 1986 and 17 unreleased tracks (with John Zorn playing on 3 of them) The sound quality is not great, but the energy is there! It was released in 1991 and is probably difficult to get, but still... Maarten Hepp