Politics in some artist/music-oriented context is fine with me. So much art (bad art, IMO) is injected with politics. But I do resent the absolute bull$*&% brain-washed idea that there is ONE "good" acceptable stance on the idea of war?! Yeah, we can all hold hands and agree war SUCKS but doesn't evey living thing on this f'ing planet have to fight and kill at some point during the day/month/year, etc.?! I do not believe in the abstract, supernatural human-created concept of 'PEACE.' It does not exist in the natural world in our particular planet!! Point to it- SHOW IT TO ME!! It can apply to a mind-state or art and music but not reality, in my opinion. While we might momentarily enjoy "peace" some jerk is being dipped in acid or tortured or oppressed somewhere on the planet! Does that qualify as 'peace?' Then, I consider myself anti-peace! By the way, I consider myself as 'undecided' regarding the war with Iraq but I believe you HAVE to use hyper psychotic, threatening rhetoric to at least avoid conflict momentarily. Doesn't every animal have to snarl, roar or ruffle its feathers to deter agressors or predators? I refuse to believe the human species is genetically capable of being any different. On the other hand, I personally enjoy violent, insane art (specifically music and film) more than the sedate, 'peaceful' soothing kind. Sorry for the rant...
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I saw it when it came out and was very impressed. The themes are a bit more blatant on this one, but so is the result of war, so I wasn't that bothered. The effects were extremely impressive, this is the first of the films that uses computer enhancement for the transitions and some amazing visuals were created. I'm still so-so on the Glass soundtrack, but it was very effective at points, and richer (imho) than the previous two. Definitely a timely movie, and overall fascinating and insightful. philz ==================================================================== Squidco The Squid's Ear http://www.squidco.com/ http://www.squidsear.com/ on sale: Recommended Records Back Catalog Sale just in: Chris Cutler Solo; Area Box set; Loose Fur; Keiji Haino; Les Poules; Frith/Dermome/Tanguay/Boisen; Bob Ostertag ==================================================================== On 2/12/03 12:27 PM, "jason tors" <jasontors@yahoo.com> wrote:
Has anyone seen Naqoyquatsi Life is War? the final film in the quatsi trilogy http://www.naqoy.com/
What great timing for the release of this movie, I didnt really hear all that much about it, I am a big fan of the first two wondering what to make of the 3rd.
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gee, i don't recall anyone suggesting there is only one acceptable stance on the idea of war. you're probably right, violence is a side of nature we cannot suppress. yet i will always be hopeful humanity, with its unbelievably greater capacity for intelligence and tool building, can use those gifts to see around the problems life presents us in a more civil way. feel free to disgaree, but i personally would like to live a few more years on this still green planet and i'd like to do it in a fashion which does not involve gas masks and mushroom clouds thank you. --dk On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 MorMovies@aol.com wrote:
Politics in some artist/music-oriented context is fine with me. So much art (bad art, IMO) is injected with politics. But I do resent the absolute bull$*&% brain-washed idea that there is ONE "good" acceptable stance on the idea of war?! Yeah, we can all hold hands and agree war SUCKS but doesn't evey living thing on this f'ing planet have to fight and kill at some point during the day/month/year, etc.?! I do not believe in the abstract, supernatural human-created concept of 'PEACE.' It does not exist in the natural world in our particular planet!! Point to it- SHOW IT TO ME!! It can apply to a mind-state or art and music but not reality, in my opinion. While we might momentarily enjoy "peace" some jerk is being dipped in acid or tortured or oppressed somewhere on the planet! Does that qualify as 'peace?' Then, I consider myself anti-peace! By the way, I consider myself as 'undecided' regarding the war with Iraq but I believe you HAVE to use hyper psychotic, threatening rhetoric to at least avoid conflict momentarily. Doesn't every animal have to snarl, roar or ruffle its feathers to deter agressors or predators? I refuse to believe the human species is genetically capable of being any different. On the other hand, I personally enjoy violent, insane art (specifically music and film) more than the sedate, 'peaceful' soothing kind. Sorry for the rant...
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Violence/War in some artist/music-oriented context is fine with me.
I refuse to believe the human species is genetically capable of being any different.
I think they are, i don't see ducks and lions going around shouting for peace, the human species is genetically capable of doing so. War is not a nice thing, it even is a terrible thing, it blasts your legs away, demolishes your home and wipes out your family. If reality starts to become complicated, in understanding or stearing, i can understand how you may resort to War or Violence. But is that good and does that solve problems? The World and Iraq are probably better of with out Saddam or such a regime he is putting on. I guess there is no question about that. But
military power is the only way to get rid of him
Are you so sure about that? I do agree, that Bushes bulldog rhetoric does help put pressure on Saddam to disarm and cooperate more with inspections. I am not convinced that actual going to war is a necessity. But with our "world leader" it seems very likely that they will, regardless of any progress or concerns. Very frightening I find is not so much their rhetoric towards Saddam or Iraq, but towards their allies and towards his fellow country men. Also in bushes rhetoric there are many religious references, which makes me believe he is an insane psycho disturbed fanatic, and never would i follow a guy like that to war, nore would believe any of his reasoning. It would be great, that if we gert rid of Saddam, we also get rid of Bush and his friends. Former administrations may not have adopted such a god-near rhetoric, still they were also capable of starting insane wars or "get rid" of country leaders they just didn't like (think Chili). Why is suddently the only way to go to War? They were so successfull in getting rid of other presidents, not many times they where successfull in it by starting a big war with lots of bombs. A good thing I think all this has, and that is the distance bushes and rumsfeld verbal attacks has put between the "willing" and the "let us think about it" countries (not countries, their leaders), that for a moment the world doesn't look like a one man show. I am not convinced if the way france, germany and russia are doing it is optimal, but any other way would have been suboptimal too. If they would have thought longer about the implementation of their ideas, it would have given it the looks of developing plans secretly, if they come out with it early, the plans are dismissed as not finished. Right now, they are accused of both. I hope that they will come up with a good plan to relieve Iraq without a war, and without gaining "free access" to their oil reservoirs, which would really destabilize the world and would give to much power to just a few, who have also proven not to be any better than Saddam in the past. They already gotten their pipeline through Afghanistan. And if it is really only about "a better world", man there is so much more to do than practicing my gun. Just my thoughts to it.
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Politics in some artist/music-oriented context is fine with me. So much art (bad art, IMO) is injected with politics. But I do resent the absolute bull$*&% brain-washed idea that there is ONE "good" acceptable stance on the idea of war?! Yeah, we can all hold hands and agree war SUCKS but doesn't evey living thing on this f'ing planet have to fight and kill at some point during the day/month/year, etc.?! I do not believe in the abstract, supernatural human-created concept of 'PEACE.' It does not exist in the natural world in our particular planet!! Point to it- SHOW IT TO ME!! It can apply to a mind-state or art and music but not reality, in my opinion. While we might momentarily enjoy "peace" some jerk is being dipped in acid or tortured or oppressed somewhere on the planet! Does that qualify as 'peace?' Then, I consider myself anti-peace! By the way, I consider myself as 'undecided' regarding the war with Iraq but I believe you HAVE to use hyper psychotic, threatening rhetoric to at least avoid conflict momentarily. Doesn't every animal have to snarl, roar or ruffle its feathers to deter agressors or predators? I refuse to believe the human species is genetically capable of being any different. On the other hand, I personally enjoy violent, insane art (specifically music and film) more than the sedate, 'peaceful' soothing kind. Sorry for the rant...
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Please, show me one other thing on the planet that composes and/or improvises music with intentional design; perhaps we should give it a miss? Can't be quite natural enough for us, perhaps. Cheers, Allan. E Endless returning, endless revolution of dream to ember, ember to anguish, anguish to flame, flame to delight, delight to dark and dream, dream to ember. Denise Levertov Sessionographies of McCoy Tyner, Charlie Parker, John Coltrane, a range of jazz resources, photographs, sociology of the art links, and with more go to up there: http://www.kyushu-ns.ac.jp/~allan/ Any information heartily appreciated, merci, arigato, graci, thanks. Also, got to this very rich Monk site, created by Jacques Ponzio: http://sojazz.org/monk/
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