On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, ahorton wrote:

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In pop music I was thinking about the Jamaican sound systems. The fathers of dub. People like U-Roy and Lee "Scratch" Perry, I undertand he is virtually the >father of sampling.

How so? There was really no "sampling" in any sense of the word involved in dub.

Offered half in jest: There are some recordings of cows mooing on the Congo's 'Heart of the Congo's' (1977) disc and a recording of a whip on Junior Byles' 'Beat down babylon' (1971) (both produced by Perry). Not quite 'sampling' in the sense of taking bits of other songs, but 'sampling' in the sense of playing back a recorded 'non-musical' noise, such as Wayne Horvitz has been known to do... (Of course, the O'Jays used the sound of ships and chains on their 1973 'ship ahoy', Black Sabbath has the ol' bells and thunderstorm on their first album (1973), the beatles had crowd noises on Sgt. Peppers (1967), and the Beach Boys 'Pet Sounds' (1965) has a car horn somewhere on it. I guess if we are going to allow these in, we might as well go back to Pierre Schaeffer and his 'Railroad Study' (1948). However, I suppose what is more interesting is trying to find a chain of influences rather than merely establishing who sampled first....so, let's see...Perry covers (on a 1973 track) the Chi-Lites' 'give more power to the people' (1971), which is on the same album as 'we are neighbors', which features a very brief dialog (including knocking on a door) at the beginning... ;) That wouldn't explain the cows, though... ) going back into lurking mode, whit

andrew

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