as someone pointed out, you can do this 2 ways: something nice: phill niblock - touch works for hurdy gurdy brian eno - shutov assembly or disc 3 of the instrumental box set any minimal jamaican dub like king tubby, scientist etc. john fahey - any takoma album really (niceness never stops so something un-nice to blow the steam....it works too.) black flag - first four years minor threat - first 2 ep's discordance axis - anything the locust - anything (and since this is a Zorn-list:) Naked City - Torture garden. NOTHING CAN TOP GOOD OL' HARDCORE!! go figure. -brother tyrone- ------------------------------------------------- Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! http://www.elvis.com