From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com> To: SonataPathetique@aol.com CC: zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com, proussel@ichips.intel.com Subject: Re: eminem > Elvis has nothing on Eminem. Elvis didn't even write his own music or
lyrics. Eminem will be around for a long time.
That's a twisted way of looking at things. You seem to assume that somebody who writes his own songs is higher of the achievement scale that somebody who interprets them, and this regardless of the respective quality of the composer and interpret?
this is exactly the mindset created by the beatles which ruined rock and roll. not only do you have to sing and play instruments, but you have to write your songs as well. and look good. fortunately, with the britneychristinabackstreetnsync phenomena, we're getting past that focus and returning to the days, a la sinatra and doris day, of musical interpretation.. kurt _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
on 11/13/02 11:09 AM, Kurt Gottschalk at ecstasymule@hotmail.com wrote:
this is exactly the mindset created by the beatles which ruined rock and roll. not only do you have to sing and play instruments, but you have to write your songs as well. and look good.
I don't think the Beatles created that mindset -- they were always giving it up to Elvis, The Everly's, Motown and other non-writing artists etc -- but more the press, who decided to make rock'n'roll people into youth emissaries. The Beatles probably saved rock'n'roll for a time -- look at the charts before they showed up and tell me that we'd have been better off with "It's My Party" than "Ticket To Ride". But I think those kind of blanket statements -- "The Beatles ruined rock" or "Elvis invented rock" or anything else of the sort -- turn into accusation aimed at people who really didn't do the thing of which they're being accused. Besides, REVOLVER is arguably the greatest album ever made by white people. skip h NP: ellery eskelin: the sun died
For "Penny Lane" and "Strawberry Fields", I'll give you best single. But I'm adamant about REVOLVER. sh on 11/18/02 10:44 AM, Marcin Gokieli at marcingokieli@go2.pl wrote:
And what about magical mystery tour?
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Besides, REVOLVER is arguably the greatest album ever made by white people.
skip h
NP: ellery eskelin: the sun died
I got mad about 'penny lane' this summer - the tune is absolutely marvelous, somewhere between a cabaret song, a rock tune, a jazz song - all those influences are mixed up ingenously. But all the tunes on the album are great - 'i'm the walrus', the MMT, 'fool on the hill', 'hello goodbye'... In fact, that's the only beatles album I like as a whole. Sgt.P has some merits, but is weaker as a whole. ' Your opinion will make me give Revolver another try, though - my dad has the entire discography both on LP and CD, so I think i can borrow the LP he does not listen to anymore marcin
For "Penny Lane" and "Strawberry Fields", I'll give you best single. But I'm adamant about REVOLVER.
sh
on 11/18/02 10:44 AM, Marcin Gokieli at marcingokieli@go2.pl wrote:
And what about magical mystery tour?
----- Original Message ----- From: skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Besides, REVOLVER is arguably the greatest album ever made by white people.
skip h
NP: ellery eskelin: the sun died
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on 11/21/02 1:36 AM, Marcin Gokieli at marcingokieli@go2.pl wrote:
I got mad about 'penny lane' this summer - the tune is absolutely marvelous, somewhere between a cabaret song, a rock tune, a jazz song - all those influences are mixed up ingenously.
It does come from all places at once -- which I think is the secret to their greatness. sh
Hello, ....I like a lot of Beatles stuff, including "Penny Lane". But if I had to pick one shining moment for the band, I'd take "Rain". The sound of the vocals, the density of the instrumentation; it's urgent and expressive and still economical. To me, the way the vocals and guitars intertwine in the chorus is chilling. And Ringo really proves himself on this one. But if I had to pick an album it'd have to be the "White" one. Tho "Revolver" is nice. I remain.... Joseph NP: Chris and Cosey- "Trance" CD NR: Carlos Fuentes- "Where The Air is Clear" -----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of skip Heller Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 1:11 PM To: Marcin Gokieli; Kurt Gottschalk; zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: Odp: Odp: eminem on 11/21/02 1:36 AM, Marcin Gokieli at marcingokieli@go2.pl wrote:
I got mad about 'penny lane' this summer - the tune is absolutely marvelous, somewhere between a cabaret song, a rock tune, a jazz song -
all
those influences are mixed up ingenously.
It does come from all places at once -- which I think is the secret to their greatness. sh _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list
"Rain" is one of the greats, for sure. sh on 11/21/02 10:55 AM, josephneff at jneff@visuallink.com wrote:
Hello, ....I like a lot of Beatles stuff, including "Penny Lane". But if I had to pick one shining moment for the band, I'd take "Rain". The sound of the vocals, the density of the instrumentation; it's urgent and expressive and still economical. To me, the way the vocals and guitars intertwine in the chorus is chilling. And Ringo really proves himself on this one. But if I had to pick an album it'd have to be the "White" one. Tho "Revolver" is nice.
I remain....
Joseph
NP: Chris and Cosey- "Trance" CD NR: Carlos Fuentes- "Where The Air is Clear"
-----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of skip Heller Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 1:11 PM To: Marcin Gokieli; Kurt Gottschalk; zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: Odp: Odp: eminem
on 11/21/02 1:36 AM, Marcin Gokieli at marcingokieli@go2.pl wrote:
I got mad about 'penny lane' this summer - the tune is absolutely marvelous, somewhere between a cabaret song, a rock tune, a jazz song -
all
those influences are mixed up ingenously.
It does come from all places at once -- which I think is the secret to their greatness.
sh
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On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:06:38 -0800 skip Heller wrote:
"Rain" is one of the greats, for sure.
There is a song by the Beatles that rarely gets mentioned and is, IMHO, quite amazing: "Lady Madonna". Looks quite straighforward at first, but the more I listen to it and the more I am surprised at its "non- obviousness". On the other side, I have never understood why people praise so much "In my Life". I even remember a poll in an English magazine ranking it top song of the Beatles. Not a bad song, for sure! but why so much appraisal? Patrice.
We'll be stuck on this thread for a year if this keeps up... There's so much great stuff there. on 11/21/02 11:15 AM, Patrice L. Roussel at proussel@ichips.intel.com wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:06:38 -0800 skip Heller wrote:
"Rain" is one of the greats, for sure.
There is a song by the Beatles that rarely gets mentioned and is, IMHO, quite amazing: "Lady Madonna". Looks quite straighforward at first, but the more I listen to it and the more I am surprised at its "non- obviousness".
On the other side, I have never understood why people praise so much "In my Life". I even remember a poll in an English magazine ranking it top song of the Beatles. Not a bad song, for sure! but why so much appraisal?
Patrice.
-----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Patrice L. Roussel Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 11:16 AM
On the other side, I have never understood why people praise so much "In my Life". I even remember a poll in an English magazine ranking it top song of the Beatles. Not a bad song, for sure! but why so much appraisal?
Because of these lines: Though I know I'll never lose affection For people and things that went before I know I'll often stop and think about them In my life, I love you more Honest to God, I get a little misty everytime I hear the song. Later, Ben http://www.thewilyfilipino.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 10/15/02
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