I forgot about ROVA, though I saw them do a great drone piece on Mt Tamalpais a few years back, w/ the ROVA guys stationed at the corners of the small amphitheater. Also worth a listen are AMM's "AMMMusic" and "The Crypt" CDs, big noisescape-type drones with Lou Gare on sax somewhere in the big scraping mess. And Nmperign, mustn't forget them - soprano sax and trumpet, not that you'd know by listening. Chris Selvig