first - i am NOT completely outraged by someone stating that les claypool and primus have stagnated a bit. i agree that punchbowl WAS lifeless, but the brown album was in fact very different (maybe les was still identifiable, but why shouldn't he be?) from the other albums and my god what about antipop? that album is really heavy with very metal chunky riffs and a tight production completely polar opposite from the aforementioned brown album which had a very live "roomy" kind of sound. and more importantly to prove you wrong (sorry) - why no mention of Les's work on various Tom Waits songs in which he is not actually identifiable (which is NOT a crime) at all. just my one and one half cents take care - mike.