At 11:52 PM 11/30/2002 +0100, you wrote:
Pretty simple. Lets say I'm making hamburgers and selling them. You bought one, tasted it and then made copies of it, invited friends and you ate them. Did you steal something from me? No. Did I get less money because you didn't buy hamburgers from me, but copied them instead? Yes. Was it theft? Of course not. Now, tell me, what is the difference?
In your hamburger example, did you go out an purchase the ingredients that go into making the hamburgers? I assume you did. In copying a CD, did you purchase the ingredients that go into making the CD? Other than the blank CD, I'm assuming you didn't. This is the difference. Craig M. Rath H: fripp@attbi.com W: rathc@questarweb.com
Hello Craig, Sunday, December 1, 2002, you wrote: CR> At 11:52 PM 11/30/2002 +0100, you wrote:
Pretty simple. Lets say I'm making hamburgers and selling them. You bought one, tasted it and then made copies of it, invited friends and you ate them. Did you steal something from me? No. Did I get less money because you didn't buy hamburgers from me, but copied them instead? Yes. Was it theft? Of course not. Now, tell me, what is the difference?
CR> In your hamburger example, did you go out an purchase the ingredients that CR> go into making the hamburgers? I assume you did. In copying a CD, did you CR> purchase the ingredients that go into making the CD? Other than the blank CR> CD, I'm assuming you didn't. This is the difference. What is in there except blank CD? Just some talent and luck. The same as in hamburger. How do you know what did it take for a cook to come up with this exactly hamburger? NP: Joe Maneri "Mat Maneri / Blessed" (CD) -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/
----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Gannushkin" <shkin@shkin.com> Subject: Re: why isn't it stealing?
What is in there except blank CD? Just some talent and luck. The same as in hamburger. How do you know what did it take for a cook to come up with this exactly hamburger?
No wonder so many people can't agree on copyright issues: often they can't even agree on how to construct and apply an analogy with which to present those issues. Good luck.
Wherever possible, I buy whatever I use, musically. Exceptions -- locally pressed, now sold out, limited run local bands are a big one. Out of print anything. Live radio broadcasts that didn't air where I live. I will -- if possible -- download cuts from an album I am thinking of purchasing. And, if I like what I heard, I'll buy it. If I don't, at least I didn;t waste twenty dollars. Because I got to hear it, I'm buying the new Joni Mitchell. For all the noise made about downloading, I've always seen collectable records dealers as even bigger pirates. I remember paying about $90 for a doo-wop single once, and thinking that nobody who was on that record was gonna see a dime of it, but that the dealer made $75 on a record he found in a warehouse full of unsold singles. The group didn't even see a regular royalty for a first sale, and, when it was finally made, for pretty serious bucks, they got nothing. skip h
I see one difference in position here - Steve is talking about copying a whole CD, Skip is talking about one tune on a compilation CD. These are two very different matters and should not be considered comparable at all. I happen to agree with Skip on the compilation issue. While it's still technically illegitimate copying, it's considerably more acceptable than duplicating an entire CD.
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