i believe zorn and arto played together and with the ruins (to combine 2 threads) 3 or 4 years ago at the knit, but alas i was not there. the trio polo ponies was a golden palominos offshoot that haven't played together since the 80s. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail