HI, --- Jorge Gallegos <abductor77@yahoo.com> escribió: > Very tolerant of you boy, not caring at all what
William Parker affirms to see or feel. Why such resistance on expressing yourself on spirituality and free jazz? It's your choice, I can tolerate that.
In that particular case, I'm not interested what's beyond the music itself. You can call me frivolous, but that spiritual stuff about cotrabasses rising and colors all around are as over-the-top as the stupid hippy thing someone mentioned yesterday. I can also tolerate it, but certainly can't take it seriously. You shouldn't need no alibies nor justifications to play the way you play. Usually I don't need to buy a concert ticket,
I'm on the guest list. Sorry to hear about the Murray calypso project. I did catch that without Hamid and I'm sure not even he could safe it. Luckily, I didn't have to pay.
Nor did I. I'm also a cool guestlist-guy. Efrén del Valle
Efrén del Valle <efrendv@yahoo.es> wrote:Hi,
Usually I would ignore stupid commments like this but you're talking about Hamid Drake.
That's tolerance, boy.
The man is a spiritual drum master.
So what? William Parker affirms he's seen colors and his double-bass has levitated in some sort of trascendental climax. Fortunately, he CAN play bass and the rest I don't care at all- in fact, I wouldn't like to express my opinion about a certain spiritualism in free-jazz.
In whatever context he is playing, his soulful groove commands deep respect. It is especially when he brings out his frame drum that one can feel a deep spiritual connection with the ancestral voices.
When you buy a concert ticket you always get your moneys worth, don't you?
These are moments of purity
and magic that bring out a spiritual side of whomever he is playing with.
You should have seen him with David Murray in a calypso/reggae project he brought to Barcelona a couple of months ago. There's a big difference between spiritualism and boredom disguised in some kind of ancestors heritage, and what we got was the latter. I generally admire Drake's playing but in that context he was a plain drummer, just like anybody else, even on hand drums.
Best,
Efrén del Valle n.p: Hugo Montenegro "More Music from The Man from UNCLE" (RCA)
fk wrote: I`ve heard Hamid live in several groups and like him a lot on drums.But he is dissapointing on any kind of hand drums, congas or something like that.He`'s loosing all his professionality doing this-like in a school band. That's my impression freebop
----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Lieske" To: Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 9:34 PM Subject: Hamid Drake
Hamid has played with just about eveyone. I got the chance to host him and Brotzmann at the club I manage a couple of years ago. I place him in that class of drummers that includes Milford Graves and Sunny Murray, William Hooker, etc. His style is different from those mentioned but he has a similar questing quality to his work. There'a a duet CD with William Parker called "Piercing The Veil" that's good, but then again I've not ever really heard him play half-assed or poorly on any recording, regardless of the overall quality of the disc and the playing of the other participants .. Thanks to those that pointed me to the Tonic site for the Zornfest lineup. I checked their site not too long ago and the info wasn't up yet.
CL
In the CD player: Fred Frith/Maybe Monday-Digital Wildlife "The Prisoners' Dilemma"
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Thx for so much reaction on my little remark. I tolerate every opinion,but anyway I dont find and I don't seek spirituality in musicians either I feel it in some moments of music though. I don't expect a free or avantgarde musician to be a guru, priest or what ever but just a good musician - with good ideas ,professionality ,good feeling ,good sounds and rhythm--thats it. And only that is where I had the personal experience , that Hamid is great on the set whatever he played with , but didn't have good ideas on hand drums. But maybe right that I missed the right concerts ? I can only talk about what I've seen-and it's a case of personal taste anyway. Regards freebop ----- Original Message ----- -From: "Efrén del Valle" <efrendv@yahoo.es> To: "Jorge Gallegos" <abductor77@yahoo.com> Cc: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:52 AM Subject: Re: Hamid Drake
HI,
--- Jorge Gallegos <abductor77@yahoo.com> escribió: > Very tolerant of you boy, not caring at all what
William Parker affirms to see or feel. Why such resistance on expressing yourself on spirituality and free jazz? It's your choice, I can tolerate that.
In that particular case, I'm not interested what's beyond the music itself. You can call me frivolous, but that spiritual stuff about cotrabasses rising and colors all around are as over-the-top as the stupid hippy thing someone mentioned yesterday. I can also tolerate it, but certainly can't take it seriously. You shouldn't need no alibies nor justifications to play the way you play.
Usually I don't need to buy a concert ticket,
I'm on the guest list. Sorry to hear about the Murray calypso project. I did catch that without Hamid and I'm sure not even he could safe it. Luckily, I didn't have to pay.
Nor did I. I'm also a cool guestlist-guy.
Efrén del Valle
Efrén del Valle <efrendv@yahoo.es> wrote:Hi,
Usually I would ignore stupid commments like this but you're talking about Hamid Drake.
That's tolerance, boy.
The man is a spiritual drum master.
So what? William Parker affirms he's seen colors and his double-bass has levitated in some sort of trascendental climax. Fortunately, he CAN play bass and the rest I don't care at all- in fact, I wouldn't like to express my opinion about a certain spiritualism in free-jazz.
In whatever context he is playing, his soulful groove commands deep respect. It is especially when he brings out his frame drum that one can feel a deep spiritual connection with the ancestral voices.
When you buy a concert ticket you always get your moneys worth, don't you?
These are moments of purity
and magic that bring out a spiritual side of whomever he is playing with.
You should have seen him with David Murray in a calypso/reggae project he brought to Barcelona a couple of months ago. There's a big difference between spiritualism and boredom disguised in some kind of ancestors heritage, and what we got was the latter. I generally admire Drake's playing but in that context he was a plain drummer, just like anybody else, even on hand drums.
Best,
Efrén del Valle n.p: Hugo Montenegro "More Music from The Man from UNCLE" (RCA)
fk wrote: I`ve heard Hamid live in several groups and like him a lot on drums.But he is dissapointing on any kind of hand drums, congas or something like that.He`'s loosing all his professionality doing this-like in a school band. That's my impression freebop
----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Lieske" To: Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 9:34 PM Subject: Hamid Drake
Hamid has played with just about eveyone. I got the chance to host him and Brotzmann at the club I manage a couple of years ago. I place him in that class of drummers that includes Milford Graves and Sunny Murray, William Hooker, etc. His style is different from those mentioned but he has a similar questing quality to his work. There'a a duet CD with William Parker called "Piercing The Veil" that's good, but then again I've not ever really heard him play half-assed or poorly on any recording, regardless of the overall quality of the disc and the playing of the other participants .. Thanks to those that pointed me to the Tonic site for the Zornfest lineup. I checked their site not too long ago and the info wasn't up yet.
CL
In the CD player: Fred Frith/Maybe Monday-Digital Wildlife "The Prisoners' Dilemma"
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