Hi gang Also the Moers music release "no Wave" by the Music Revelation Ensemble 1981 a brilliant album including James "blood" Ulmer(gtr),Ronald shannon jackson(drms),david murray(sax) and amin ali(elec bass).(with harmolodic influences from ornette coleman). Other albums from then inc. Tales of Cap Black (james "blood" ulmer) Are You Glad to be in America (james "blood" ulmer) Freelancing(ornette coleman) surely a precursor to John Zorn kevin kcornish@btinternet.com