sampling in avant garde and pop music
hi everyone, i'm going to be giving a presentation for a class on the act of sampling in contemporary culture and i will be talking mostly about music. some of artists i will be discussing include the beatles (tape loop experiments), the residents, Negativeland, among others. i would definitely like to include hip hop and dub in my discussion, but i want to know if there are any musicians/composers that stand out as true sampling pioneers in Dub, Hip Hop, Pop, and avant garde music. i can think of plenty of people that sample music or media in these genres but i don't want to arbitrarily choose Beck or Dan the Automator just because they appeal to my tastes. I just want to open up the question: what musician or composer do you feel really pushed the boundaries of what sampling can be for their genre? thanks for any help! -adam morosky _________________________________________________________________ Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software optimizes dial-up to the max! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/plus&ST=1
on 1/12/04 12:23 PM, adam morosky at amorosky@hotmail.com wrote:
what musician or composer do you feel really pushed the boundaries of what sampling can be for their genre?
Prince Paul's work on De La Soul's 3 FT HIGH, the Bomb Squad on Public Enemy's FEAR OF A BLACK PLANET. Anything by Mixmaster Mike. NuMark on the Jurassic 5 cut "Swing Set". skip h
residents: beyond the valley of a day in the life (off 3rd reich & roll) john oswald/plunderphonics bomb squad (hank shocklee, keith shocklee, eric sadler) produced first few public enemy albums (i like it takes a nation of millions best) prince paul- produced de la soul's 3 feet high & rising (still amazing) mark di gli antoni - sampler player for soul coughing - no better sampler player in pop music, ruby vroom is their best. sean -----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-bounces+seawes=allmusic.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-bounces+seawes=allmusic.com@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of adam morosky Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 3:24 PM To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: sampling in avant garde and pop music hi everyone, i'm going to be giving a presentation for a class on the act of sampling in contemporary culture and i will be talking mostly about music. some of artists i will be discussing include the beatles (tape loop experiments), the residents, Negativeland, among others. i would definitely like to include hip hop and dub in my discussion, but i want to know if there are any musicians/composers that stand out as true sampling pioneers in Dub, Hip Hop, Pop, and avant garde music. i can think of plenty of people that sample music or media in these genres but i don't want to arbitrarily choose Beck or Dan the Automator just because they appeal to my tastes. I just want to open up the question: what musician or composer do you feel really pushed the boundaries of what sampling can be for their genre? thanks for any help! -adam morosky _________________________________________________________________ Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software  optimizes dial-up to the max! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/plus&ST=1 _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list
hi everyone, i'm going to be giving a presentation for a class on the act of sampling in contemporary culture and i will be talking mostly about music. some of artists i will be discussing include the beatles (tape loop experiments), the residents, Negativeland, among others. i would definitely like to include hip hop and dub in my discussion, but i want to know if there are any musicians/composers that stand out as true sampling pioneers in Dub, Hip Hop, Pop, and avant garde music. i can think of plenty of people that sample music or media in these genres but i don't want to arbitrarily choose Beck or Dan the Automator just because they appeal to my tastes. I just want to open up the question:
what musician or composer do you feel really pushed the boundaries of what sampling can be for their genre?
Frank Zappa(Lumpy Gravy) and John Oswald(Plunderphonics) spring to mind
John Oswald, Plunderphonics I can't say I enjoy the album all that much, but it definitely is an impressive use of samples - a lot of work must have gone into it... and the whole thing and then some used to be available in wav & mp3 at http://www.plunderphonics.com/xhtml/xunavailable.html (I'm not sure if the links still work). -whit On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, adam morosky wrote:
hi everyone, i'm going to be giving a presentation for a class on the act of sampling in contemporary culture and i will be talking mostly about music. some of artists i will be discussing include the beatles (tape loop experiments), the residents, Negativeland, among others. i would definitely like to include hip hop and dub in my discussion, but i want to know if there are any musicians/composers that stand out as true sampling pioneers in Dub, Hip Hop, Pop, and avant garde music. i can think of plenty of people that sample music or media in these genres but i don't want to arbitrarily choose Beck or Dan the Automator just because they appeal to my tastes. I just want to open up the question:
what musician or composer do you feel really pushed the boundaries of what sampling can be for their genre?
thanks for any help!
-adam morosky
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Monday, January 12, 2004, 12:23:31 PM, one spoke: am> there are any musicians/composers that stand out as true sampling am> pioneers in Dub, Hip Hop, Pop, and avant garde music. i can think am> of plenty of people Nobody's really talking much about avant-garde aside from Oswald, some things you might want to look at: Richard Maxfield, _Bacchanale_ mixes samples from jazz, korean music, etc. with live performance. From 1963, on New World Records. Terry Riley's "The Gift" featured live sampling of Chet Baker's group, 1961? on Organ of Corti. John Cage, _Europeras_ 3, 4 and 5 use wind-up victrolas with 78s at various points in the performance; #5 also includes a tape with microscopic samples of many, many operas; on Mode. Steve Reich's sound track for the short film "O Dem Watermelons" (film by Robert Nelson for the SF Mime Troupe's _Minstrel Show_) is basically a loop of one line from a Stephen Foster song (1967). You'd need to show the film for this one (if you show it to a class, you'd best read up on what _The Minstrel Show_ was, so you can contextualize the massive political incorrectness ;^>); I think it's out of distribution but your school might own a print. Mind you, if I were going to rent a film, Martin Arnold's _passage a l'act_ is more like the state of the art. Mother Mallard made a drone out of an old Shirley Bassey record on "Music" (1972); on Cuneiform. Francisco Lopez' _Untitled #104_, a mash-up of hundreds of samples from black metal records; 2000, on Alien 8. David Schafer's _x10R_, which features long samples of Muzak, layered a dozen or so deep (one of the more physically nauseating records I own); 2002, on Transparency. I assume you're talking about *musical* samples and not *text* or we'd have to talk about thousands of industrial records. Not to forget that squidge of _Funhouse_ that pops like a zit in the middle of side one of Sonic Youth's _Bad Moon Rising_, of course. -- Jim Flannery newgrange@newgrangemedia.com http://www.newgrangemedia.com/pii np: Joseph Dorfman, _The Stones of Jerusalem_ nr: Frank Stanford, _The Battlefield Where the Moon Says I Love You_
--- Jim Flannery <newgrange@newgrangemedia.com> wrote:
Terry Riley's "The Gift" featured live sampling of Chet Baker's group, 1961? on Organ of Corti.
Didn't Riley also do "You're no Good"? Which i guess is more of an extended remix than sampling. as for Plunderphonics, i actually have a soft spot for quite a number of the tracks on the recent 2 cd reissue- eg the Jon spencer track & the rite of spring amongst others. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus
I forgot "Panty Christ" with Otomo, Ostertag, & Justin Bond. a REALLY freaky & fukked-up CD!!!! lots of samples thanks to Ostertag. http://detritus.net/ostertag/pantychristcd.html -----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jim Flannery Sent: Tuesday, 13 January 2004 7:11 PM To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: sampling in avant garde and pop music Monday, January 12, 2004, 12:23:31 PM, one spoke: am> there are any musicians/composers that stand out as true sampling am> pioneers in Dub, Hip Hop, Pop, and avant garde music. i can think am> of plenty of people Nobody's really talking much about avant-garde aside from Oswald, some things you might want to look at: Richard Maxfield, _Bacchanale_ mixes samples from jazz, korean music, etc. with live performance. From 1963, on New World Records. Terry Riley's "The Gift" featured live sampling of Chet Baker's group, 1961? on Organ of Corti. John Cage, _Europeras_ 3, 4 and 5 use wind-up victrolas with 78s at various points in the performance; #5 also includes a tape with microscopic samples of many, many operas; on Mode. Steve Reich's sound track for the short film "O Dem Watermelons" (film by Robert Nelson for the SF Mime Troupe's _Minstrel Show_) is basically a loop of one line from a Stephen Foster song (1967). You'd need to show the film for this one (if you show it to a class, you'd best read up on what _The Minstrel Show_ was, so you can contextualize the massive political incorrectness ;^>); I think it's out of distribution but your school might own a print. Mind you, if I were going to rent a film, Martin Arnold's _passage a l'act_ is more like the state of the art. Mother Mallard made a drone out of an old Shirley Bassey record on "Music" (1972); on Cuneiform. Francisco Lopez' _Untitled #104_, a mash-up of hundreds of samples from black metal records; 2000, on Alien 8. David Schafer's _x10R_, which features long samples of Muzak, layered a dozen or so deep (one of the more physically nauseating records I own); 2002, on Transparency. I assume you're talking about *musical* samples and not *text* or we'd have to talk about thousands of industrial records. Not to forget that squidge of _Funhouse_ that pops like a zit in the middle of side one of Sonic Youth's _Bad Moon Rising_, of course. -- Jim Flannery newgrange@newgrangemedia.com http://www.newgrangemedia.com/pii np: Joseph Dorfman, _The Stones of Jerusalem_ nr: Frank Stanford, _The Battlefield Where the Moon Says I Love You_ _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list
Sorry, one more I can't leave out: Nicholas Collins' _The Devil's Music_, which in live performance features an array of radios, each with its own sampler; he samples bits out of all the stations he can hook up and loops them, slowing altering or replacing tracks. The actual sound of the piece is totally different from performance to performance, it can range from almost entirely voice (lots of talk radio) to something Nymanesque (lots of "smooth classical"). On Trace Elements (1986), alternate versions on a couple of Tellus cassettes. Speaking of Nyman, most of his early Greenaway soundtracks are scored by taking melodic cells from romantic pieces and processing them via minimalist techniques; not samples per se but kinda in that ballpark (scored collage is about as big a subtopic as industrial collage tho). -- Jim Flannery newgrange@newgrangemedia.com http://www.newgrangemedia.com/pii np: nr: Frank Stanford, _The Battlefield Where the Moon Says I Love You_
Double sorry, two more artists I'm surprised didn't show up: David Shea and David Weinstein, both of whom have made live performance out of fully reconstructed sample works. philz On 1/13/04 3:23 AM, "Jim Flannery" <newgrange@newgrangemedia.com> wrote:
Sorry, one more I can't leave out: Nicholas Collins' _The Devil's Music_, which in live performance features an array of radios, each with its own sampler; he samples bits out of all the stations he can hook up and loops them, slowing altering or replacing tracks. The actual sound of the piece is totally different from performance to performance, it can range from almost entirely voice (lots of talk radio) to something Nymanesque (lots of "smooth classical"). On Trace Elements (1986), alternate versions on a couple of Tellus cassettes.
Speaking of Nyman, most of his early Greenaway soundtracks are scored by taking melodic cells from romantic pieces and processing them via minimalist techniques; not samples per se but kinda in that ballpark (scored collage is about as big a subtopic as industrial collage tho).
shit yeah, how could we forgot them!?!?! we all suck! hang our heads in shame!!!! -----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of zampino Sent: Wednesday, 14 January 2004 2:24 AM To: zorn Subject: Re: sampling in avant garde and pop music Double sorry, two more artists I'm surprised didn't show up: David Shea and David Weinstein, both of whom have made live performance out of fully reconstructed sample works. philz On 1/13/04 3:23 AM, "Jim Flannery" <newgrange@newgrangemedia.com> wrote:
Sorry, one more I can't leave out: Nicholas Collins' _The Devil's Music_, which in live performance features an array of radios, each with its own sampler; he samples bits out of all the stations he can hook up and loops them, slowing altering or replacing tracks. The actual sound of the piece is totally different from performance to performance, it can range from almost entirely voice (lots of talk radio) to something Nymanesque (lots of "smooth classical"). On Trace Elements (1986), alternate versions on a couple of Tellus cassettes.
Speaking of Nyman, most of his early Greenaway soundtracks are scored by taking melodic cells from romantic pieces and processing them via minimalist techniques; not samples per se but kinda in that ballpark (scored collage is about as big a subtopic as industrial collage tho).
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