dont forget les claypools "purple onion hahah ;OP great album by a white folk not a claypool fan, personally. primus always reminded me of a cross between the chilli peppers and rush, and that is not a cross I would gladly bear.
"Purple Onion" is not a primus album. I know this is nitpicky, but it just sounds as if your commenting on the album without hearing it when you attribute it to Primus.
Wasn't the original proposition, though, that Revolver was the best album ever made by white folks? ...was Beethoven black, as Anthony Braxton brilliantly asserts?
Beethoven never made an album--his music has been put on record, but I argue that this is very different than making an "album." The listening experience Beethoven was writing for was a live performance. The Beatles wrote many of their albums to take advantage of the medium (Abbey Road, Sgt. Pepper, Magical Mystery Tour). andy
on 11/18/02 5:35 PM, Eriedell@aol.com at Eriedell@aol.com wrote:
"Purple Onion" is not a primus album. I know this is nitpicky, but it just sounds as if your commenting on the album without hearing it when you attribute it to Primus.
A bassist friend played me some of it, however, and it did nothing for me. For better or worse, Claypool is always pretty easy to hear, and, whenever I hear him, I'm right back at Frizzle-Fry. His playing reminds me of Geddy Lee, who he says is an influence on him. Not my taste at all.
...was Beethoven black, as Anthony Braxton brilliantly asserts?
I don't see the brilliance in that assertion, personally. sh
HI,
"Purple Onion" is not a primus album. I know this is nitpicky, but it just sounds as if your commenting on the album without hearing it when you attribute it to Primus.
It's not difficult to mistake a Claypool album for something else coming from him -that is Primus, Sausage or his solo projects- basically because he's been doing the same record over and over again. The perfect example of "repeating oneself". For me, a bad crossover of Zappa/Residents influences. Perhaps it was worth a listen until "Sailing the Seas of Cheese". Other than that...
...was Beethoven black, as Anthony Braxton brilliantly asserts?
I don't see the brilliance in that assertion, personally. I also thought Braxton was smarter!! Best, Efrén del Valle n.p: Lou Reed: "Berlin" _______________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Nueva versión: Webcam, voz, y mucho más ¡Gratis! Descárgalo ya desde http://messenger.yahoo.es
So untrue. Not that I'm so crazy about Primus, but I have listened enough to hear that each album, and even each song, is very distinct.
It's not difficult to mistake a Claypool album for something else coming from him -that is Primus, Sausage or his solo projects- basically because he's been doing the same record over and over again. The perfect example of "repeating oneself". For me, a bad crossover of Zappa/Residents influences. Perhaps it was worth a listen until "Sailing the Seas of Cheese". Other than that...
Hi,
So untrue. Not that I'm so crazy about Primus, but I have listened enough to hear that each album, and even each song, is very distinct.
I listened to the Sausage album before knowing that was another project by Mr. Claypool and, call me dumb, I thought it was actually Primus. Then he released that solo album someone mentioned. And what was that? Primus without 2/3 of the band, leaving Claypool with his virtuosism on bass, his limitations with other instruments and a few guests with only Henry Rollins coming to mind. I listened a couple of times when it was released and never got back to it. Totally uninteresting to me and a proof that being immediately recognizable isnÂt always a guarantee. ÂTales from the Punchbowl started to sound a bit exhausted, or at least thatÂs my impression, and with ÂBrown Album their usual sense of humour was nowhere to be found. Believe me, Primus has spinned a thousand times in my stereo and I learnt the albums by heart, note by note and word by word- not from a musicianÂs viewpoint, of course. The songs are obviously different (the assertion was unnecessary), but if someone feels they have undergone a remarkable evolution in their sound during God knows how many years, please let me know cause I missed it. Not only that, but they lost their Âgrace on the way becoming absolutely boring and repetitive. And they did have opportunities to move ahead or in different directions, since ÂFrizzle FryÂ, ÂPork Soda or ÂSailing  offered a lot. But they seemed to decide to stick with what they already had without taking risks (Even Nirvana took more with ÂIn Utero considering their previous massive success!). ThatÂs why, as someone said, itÂs obvious that I havenÂt listened to any of his recent projects (I have actually listened to the Oysterhead album, btw, but no interest either). Of course I havenÂt, at the risk of missing something new from this guy, which seems pretty unlikely to me at this point. It would be as silly as expecting something good from David Bowie right now. As usual, just an opinion, or a few ones in this case. Best, Efrén del Valle _______________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Nueva versión: Webcam, voz, y mucho más ¡Gratis! Descárgalo ya desde http://messenger.yahoo.es
Hiya, I do agree that "Tales From The Punchbowl" and "The Brown Album" (and especially "Antipop") have been gradually going further and further downhill. But it's not due to repeating the same ideas over and over... I think they (he) have certainly been evolving throughout, but gradually to something quite removed from Primus, and hence you or I may not particularly like them... Julian.
"Tales From The Punchbowl" was still ok IMHO, but the next albums' quality really went down ("Rhinoplasty" was ok). Strangely it corresponds to the arrival of the new drummer... TR Julian wrote:
Hiya, I do agree that "Tales From The Punchbowl" and "The Brown Album" (and especially "Antipop") have been gradually going further and further downhill. But it's not due to repeating the same ideas over and over... I think they (he) have certainly been evolving throughout, but gradually to something quite removed from Primus, and hence you or I may not particularly like them...
Julian.
Hi,
"Tales From The Punchbowl" was still ok IMHO, but the next albums' quality really went down ("Rhinoplasty" was ok). Strangely it corresponds to the arrival of the new drummer...
Yes, but I'd say it's a mere coincidence. He might have weakened the rythm section but the ideas (if any) would've still been there, which is not the case, imho. I'll always prefer Joey Baron to Kenny Wollesen, for instance, but Masada is Masada: the compositions are strong enough to stand for themselves as long as the performers have a minimum quality (Ok, Wollesen has a bit more than a minimum, you know what I mean) Best, _______________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Nueva versión: Webcam, voz, y mucho más ¡Gratis! Descárgalo ya desde http://messenger.yahoo.es
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