In trying to come up with an example of a quantum approach to music, Butcher just popped to mind. No doubt there are better examples. It could be that the relation is too metaphorical and not well enough grounded in direct mathematical correlation. But I was thinking of the revolutionary scientific mind-set that produces such music, like Tom points out -- in this case, breaking down the sound into its smallest elements in order to experiment with its possibilities. It's obviously not the approach that somebody like Ayler takes on the same instrument, and it correlates much easier to the molecular sciences. And I don't really see it as metaphor -- it's an actual, material experimentation with sound that could very well produce effects in every sphere, just as investigations into quantum physics seem to do. But I was just speckulatin on a hypothesis. I know I don't know nothin. Meaning I'd hate to reduce a deeply investigative science into a resemblance it doesn't warrant. But accusing one of making spurious associations without providing alternatives is perhaps equally reductive. Maybe the question here is really about the value of metaphor and what constitutes a real relation. As far as Parker goes, we won't have been the first to make the connection between his multiphonics and the rhizome. --bob
From: Tom Benton <rancor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> To: crowmeat@hotmail.com CC: The Zorn List <zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com>, <proussel@ichips.intel.com> Subject: Re: Quantum Weirdness Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:58:14 -0600 (CST)
John Butcher was a physicist before turning to saxophonism, but he claims that in his case there's no intentional relation between the two. However, one could easily read them in, given his microactive technique.
I heard or read somewhere of his being asked about the connection (that is, physics -> music) and though he claimed there was no direction relation as above, I believe he did say something to the effect of his approaching the horn with same discipline and regimented patience that he developed as a scientist. That Parker was a botanist makes lovely sense. I suspect it takes a very special kind of experimentalist brain to do what those gentleman do...
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Braxton, maybe? At 06:09 PM 11/4/2002 -0500, Crowmeat Bob wrote:
In trying to come up with an example of a quantum approach to music, Butcher just popped to mind. No doubt there are better examples. It could be that the relation is too metaphorical and not well enough grounded in direct mathematical correlation. But I was thinking of the revolutionary scientific mind-set that produces such music, like Tom points out -- in this case, breaking down the sound into its smallest elements in order to experiment with its possibilities. It's obviously not the approach that somebody like Ayler takes on the same instrument, and it correlates much easier to the molecular sciences. And I don't really see it as metaphor -- it's an actual, material experimentation with sound that could very well produce effects in every sphere, just as investigations into quantum physics seem to do.
But I was just speckulatin on a hypothesis. I know I don't know nothin. Meaning I'd hate to reduce a deeply investigative science into a resemblance it doesn't warrant. But accusing one of making spurious associations without providing alternatives is perhaps equally reductive. Maybe the question here is really about the value of metaphor and what constitutes a real relation.
As far as Parker goes, we won't have been the first to make the connection between his multiphonics and the rhizome. --bob
From: Tom Benton <rancor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> To: crowmeat@hotmail.com CC: The Zorn List <zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com>, <proussel@ichips.intel.com> Subject: Re: Quantum Weirdness Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:58:14 -0600 (CST)
John Butcher was a physicist before turning to saxophonism, but he claims that in his case there's no intentional relation between the two. However, one could easily read them in, given his microactive technique.
I heard or read somewhere of his being asked about the connection (that is, physics -> music) and though he claimed there was no direction relation as above, I believe he did say something to the effect of his approaching the horn with same discipline and regimented patience that he developed as a scientist. That Parker was a botanist makes lovely sense. I suspect it takes a very special kind of experimentalist brain to do what those gentleman do...
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