RE: The Experimental Side of Burt Bacharach

11 Nov 2003

      Hi,

 --- Zachary Steiner <zsteiner@butler.edu> escribiÃ³: >
I get dismissive reactions from friends, in my
...
generation, when I talk about
how great Pet Sounds is or when I speak of Brian
Wilson's masterful (and at
the time experimental) production.
The same happens to me, whether it's Brian Wilson, Al
Green, The Beatles or Bacharach.

They just have a
...
hard time with
something so "happy" or "poppy" being great art--let
alone revolutionary or
experimental.  I try to make them listen harder, but
even then they still
don't hear it.  Sometimes their opinion changes when
I play some cuts from
Smiley Smile like the Woody Wood Pecker track or
Wind chimes.
Maybe The BBs are not exactly revolutionary for
today's standars, but I think their music still has
something disturbing at some particular moments- I'm
thinking of "Til' I Die", for example.

Best,

EfrÃ©n del Valle
...
Zach
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Subject: Re: The Experimental Side of Burt Bacharach
Yes, but when it comes to popular music,
envelope-pushing practices are far less obvious and
more difficult to grab. Burt Bacharach is one
example.
Brian Wilson could be another one. Unless you listen
to their albums really, really carefully, it's
difficult to notice there's something groundbreaking
there because the easily recognizable tunes and the
pop forms stand at the forefront, not to mention the
time/generational factor. Needless to say, when you
scratch the surface, these impressions change.
Best,
EfrÃ©n del Valle
n.p: Burt Bacharach "After the Fox" (MGM) thanks for
reminding me
--- skip heller <thisparadise@sbcglobal.net>
escribiÃ³: > If you listen closely and if you
investigate BB's
...
working methods, you
realize that he was very intentional about pushing
the envelope.  He did
create breakthroughs in popular music and
miraculously to a large audience.
To be frank, the scope of  his achievements on
that
score dwarf something
like the sixties Miles quintet.
There is always a lot of experimental and
revolutionary music going on away
from the so-called and self-appointed"creative"
music world.  Burt Bacharach
is not the exception to any rules.  He's typical
of
something else.
skip h
on 11/11/03 8:35 AM, Patrice L. Roussel at
proussel@ichips.intel.com wrote:
...
But why "The Experimental Side"? This is maybe
what makes Bacharach
...
(and many others) so important. They show (for
those of us who were
too infatuated with the sirens of
experimentation
to even realize it)
that great music meaning a lot to a lot of
people
does not have to
create breakthroughs.
There is a lot of great music to be done without
extended techniques
or a laptop :-).
Patrice.
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