David Goodis -- Black friday actually, I love ALL of Goodis) James cain -- Mildred Pierce (movie's great, but the book is way darker) James Cain -- Serenade (the movie sucks, book's great) Chandler -- The Long Goodbye William P McGivern -- The Big Heat Harry Whittington -- Touch of Evil (written under the nom de plume Whit Masterson) James Ellroy's stuff is unformly good, often brilliant. Fav movies of the type: THE KILLING (Kubrick's first) DOUBLE INDEMNITY GUN CRAZY THE STRANGER (Orson Welles -- flawed, but incredible in some ways) TOUCH OF EVIL EXPERIMENT IN TERROR As for Spillane, we're not the type of audience for whom he wrote. but he was really effective among the people he sought to reach. And the orig Signet paperback cover of ONE LONEY NIGHT is great art. ersonally, I never really enjoyed Thompson much. he always seemed dry to me. But I maybe have yet to find the right book for him. If anyone has any ideas... And I did read THE GRIFTERS Interesting -- although Caroll John Daly was the first guy to write in what we think of as the hardboiled style, pretty much everyone ever read on the subject dismissed him -- except Spillane. Chandler gace it up to Hammett and Erle Stanley Gardner. (The only book about Goodis is in French, which I don't speak, and there's a really good bio of Cornell Woolrich, FIRST YOU DREAM, THEN YOU DIE, which is truly disturbing.) skip h NP Herbie Hancock -- Complete Blue Note (disc 5) NR Louis Armstrong: An Extravagant Life by Laurence Bergreen on 12/18/03 3:57 PM, ericksna@umich.edu at ericksna@umich.edu wrote:

I enjoyed the brief conversations sparked by the comments on guilty pleasures, and was a little sad that they tapered off right around the time that the subject got around to film noir and the hard boiled detective genre. Do we have any fans following these areas? Personally I can appreciate Micky Spillane for his contributions to the genre, but have always felt that he was never able to live up to Chandler, Hammett(red harvest is my personal favorite), or even Jim Thompson as a writer. Anyone have any favorite film noir or detective films/books? I recently watched Alphaville and the DVD of Knife in the Water, and think I might have to delve into one of my favorite genres again over the holidays. nathan

n.p. Schlippenbach - the living music n.r. the grotesque - patrick mcGrath (recently saw Spider with Ralph Fiennes -thought it wasn't half bad)

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