i'd love to see it as well.
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:27:03 -0700 From: Chris Selvig <selvig@earthlink.net> Subject: Universal shenanigans To: zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030918122616.0330bd90@pop.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
If anyone could send me a copy of the Universal contract, I'd be interested to see it.
Chris Selvig
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Me too. Who on this list has actually seen this agreement firsthand? I think the closest we've come so far was a forwarded email from a person who had an email from a person who said (in the email posted to a different list) that they worked for a record store in texas. Jaded by too many emails from nigeria, whit 'i paid US$1,500.00 for a cookie receipe' schonbein On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Kurt Gottschalk wrote:
i'd love to see it as well.
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:27:03 -0700 From: Chris Selvig <selvig@earthlink.net> Subject: Universal shenanigans To: zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030918122616.0330bd90@pop.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
If anyone could send me a copy of the Universal contract, I'd be interested to see it.
Chris Selvig
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It also seems inportant to understand that both the big chains and small guys are already highly dependant on manipulative fees for product placement in the stores... Indeed, in the NYTimes coverage of the Universal price cut, the author claimed that smaller stores were bummed because their promo budgets were getting slashed as part of the deal. These provisions in the contract are clearly Universals attempt to somehow retain the control they used to buy with straight-up cash. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William W. Schonbein" <wwschonb@artsci.wustl.edu> To: "zorn list" <zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 1:37 AM Subject: Re: universal agreement
Me too.
Who on this list has actually seen this agreement firsthand? I think the closest we've come so far was a forwarded email from a person who had an email from a person who said (in the email posted to a different list) that they worked for a record store in texas.
Jaded by too many emails from nigeria, whit 'i paid US$1,500.00 for a cookie receipe' schonbein
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Kurt Gottschalk wrote:
i'd love to see it as well.
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If anyone could send me a copy of the Universal contract, I'd be
interested
to see it.
Chris Selvig
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Is that NY Times article online? I've looked through their music section and used their search engine but haven't found the article. Thanks, philz On 9/19/03 7:16 AM, "Dave Smey" <dsmey@mindspring.com> wrote:
It also seems inportant to understand that both the big chains and small guys are already highly dependant on manipulative fees for product placement in the stores... Indeed, in the NYTimes coverage of the Universal price cut, the author claimed that smaller stores were bummed because their promo budgets were getting slashed as part of the deal. These provisions in the contract are clearly Universals attempt to somehow retain the control they used to buy with straight-up cash.
Hey, Found it -- here's the abstract. Now I see that the people advancing the viewpoint that it would hurt the little guy were actually execs at other corporations. But it explains the whole promo budget thing. BUSINESS/FINANCIAL DESK | September 5, 2003, Friday Music Industry Ponders Costs Of Steep Cut in Prices of CD's By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK with CONSTANCE L. HAYS (NYT) 901 words Late Edition - Final , Section C , Page 2 , Column 5 ABSTRACT - Universal Music Group's decision to lower prices of its compact discs leaves rest of music industry scrambling to respond, with some arguing that long-term effects could hurt struggling specialty chains and independent music stores and favor discounters like Wal-Mart; other side of Universal's price cut is simultaneous cutback in payments company makes to retailers for shared advertising and in-store promotions; executives at rival labels say those cuts will hurt small stores, which rely on payments, more than major chains, which have lower costs and more bargaining power; music industry executives say companies like Universal typically offer stores about $1.20 in promotional subsidies for each CD sold to retailers for $12; Universal will keep $1.20, but lower wholesale price to $9, instead of $12; representatives of other major industry players say they will defer judgment on Universal's pricing plan; Warner Music spokeswoman Dawn Bridges says company has no specific plans to do something about its pricing policy; EMI and music division of Sony Corp decline comment (M) ----- Original Message ----- From: "zampino" <zampino@squidco.com> To: "Dave Smey" <dsmey@mindspring.com>; "zorn" <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 11:05 AM Subject: Re: universal agreement
Is that NY Times article online? I've looked through their music section and used their search engine but haven't found the article.
Thanks, philz
On 9/19/03 7:16 AM, "Dave Smey" <dsmey@mindspring.com> wrote:
It also seems inportant to understand that both the big chains and small guys are already highly dependant on manipulative fees for product placement in the stores... Indeed, in the NYTimes coverage of the Universal price cut, the author claimed that smaller stores were bummed because their promo budgets were getting slashed as part of the deal. These provisions in the contract are clearly Universals attempt to somehow retain the control they used to buy with straight-up cash.
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