Subject: Zornfest 2003-09-17 XU FENG (part 2 of 2)
[ CONTINUED FROM PART 1 ] it was interesting to see this piece performed again. or, really, just performed at all :) i don't remember the first and only other time i saw it. i've never listened to it on a recording. actually i have to admit i'm not really that familiar with zorn's game pieces. but they seem like a cool idea... i can't help wondering whether the surface has just barely been scratched though. at one point i was thinking, what would this piece be like if no-one could play loud? if it was totally low volume? and also, the recognizable strains of melody, harmony, beat, are these things just distractions from the "structure" of the piece? those are often the parts that seem the most enjoyable, but perhaps for the "wrong reasons". oh, there's a tune, great, but then one is frustrated (well some people are anyway) when it is interrupted. so maybe it would be nice if the band wasn't "allowed" to play such recognizable things. heck maybe it would be nice if it were done with just voices (yeah! that would be cool!), maybe radios... i dont know. anyway it was fun to see zorn conducting (gesturing, pointing at players, holding up cards, dropping the cards for a "downbeat"), to see the band having a good time playing. there were definitely some nice moments where joey and susie were bashing away together, one time in particular joey seemed to be "following" susie, which was interesting. one piece ended really nicely on susie hitting a gong (the only time i remember her using it). the highlight of the first set for me was an intense rapid-fire duo between joey baron and fred frith. that probably didnt have much to do with XU FENG the composition, i just really like frith and baron and they play well together, it was totally "out" but totally tight, a real dialogue, instant reactions, etc. it got me grinning. after that "tune", zorn went up on stage and went up to baron's drumset, leaned over and said something to joey, and i was very curious what it was. the coincidence of that right after what was to me the highlight of the set... (later, after the show, i asked zorn what he had said, and he didnt seem to mind the question but said i should ask baron. huh. ok. so i did, and baron said no it wasnt related to that duo with fred frith but was some sort of general musical direction, which was difficult to explain, though he did try, and was very nice about it, which i appreciated.) there were some good "crossfades" in the first set. but i did find myself not totally satisfied. i wondered whether the second set might be better now that the band was warmed up, and maybe more used to the nature of the piece. the second set didnt seem as crowded (but maybe thats just because i was not sitting in the same place). my wife, happily, did arrive. woohoo! at first the second set started out perhaps more consistently loud than the first set. all the endings for the first few pieces were something loud which zorn would cut off abruptly. this is of course an effective ending... but then they played an entire piece which was totally quiet! ahh... it was very nice. after that things got better. (not that they were bad before, actually i thought they were executing very well, but i was still thinking why does it always have to be loud. though i think the playing did get better after the quiet piece.) i should mention that zorn's "cards" which have the words like "slow", "fast", "loud", "quiet" on them, they have some kinda velcro system so he can hold up multiple cards and attach them together. well at one point he held up a larger-than-usual number of cards and the band (fred in particular IIRC) laughed, and then zorn turned the cards around and showed them to the audience. there was a big yellow card with "R" (was that the "Runner" card referred to in '93??) with five cards velcro-chained below it: "dense", "slow", "quiet", "static", "fast". http://panix.com/~edp/2003-09-17--cards.JPG besides the fact that this was funny, i think it's nice that zorn shared this with the audience. the whole time zorn had his back to the audience, and he was showing the cards to the musicians, but the audience never saw them (well you could try to read them backwards since they were sorta translucent and backlit, and some were not so hard to see). so it was a nice moment. after that they did in fact start playing, with zorn holding up those cards. he held up some other unusually large batches in that piece too. the mood seemed to me to get better, lighter, esp after the quiet piece and then the fun zorn-audience interaction. oh i almost forgot, there was another fun audience-interaction incident when zorn held up a card and baron either eargerly gestured about it or possibly feigned lack of understanding, and zorn turned that card around too to show the audience that it said "RHYTHM". either way, that's funny :) finally, after the nominally last piece, zorn named everybody in the band, there was a standing ovation, and they played one more. it was easily the most "straightahead" piece of the entire evening, to my memory. baron let loose with some of his trademark backbeat with intense accents. ribot and frith wailed bluesy guitar stuff, etc. nice way to end it... so my wife told me was glad she went. but she didnt really enjoy the music... we talked about it on the way home... in the subway station there was some intense jackhammering sounds. yow. wasnt really what i wanted to hear at the time, although it was kinda interesting, ironic even, given what we were talking about... i'd write more, clean this up, etc. but no more time. time to let go :) -ed
Ed, thank you for your mindblowing review :) it has inspired me alot and i now understand more what Xu Feng project is all about. tell me, is the record also all improvisation? i remember hearing the Dave Lombardo (slayer/fantomas fame) played on that record...(??) take care, - k --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
Hi, First of all, thanks Ed for your detailed reviews. Those far away from NY will probably appreciate this a lot.
tell me, is the record also all improvisation? i remember hearing the Dave Lombardo (slayer/fantomas fame) played on that record...(??)
The lineup on the album is William Winant and Dave Lombardo on percussion, Fred Frith and John Schott on guitars and David Slusser and Chris Brown on electronics. There's the usual dose of improvisation there, although it's probably the most dynamic game piece I've heard and, in some way, more idiomatic and comprehensible than, say, Cobra. There's a very good equilibrium between the aggresively improvised parts and more laid-back passages and although it gets frenetic at some points, there are enough ups and downs to keep a high level of attention. It's definitely a good intro to game pieces. It has also been performed by six drummers in some occasions as I read in some postings here a while ago. Must have been incredibe (anyone remembers the lineup then?) Best, Efrén del Valle n.p: Les Baxter "Tamboo/Skins" ___________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Nueva versión GRATIS Super Webcam, voz, caritas animadas, y más... http://messenger.yahoo.es
I should have guessed the dude who flashed a photo there was a list member... I made it for the second set and sat up front (though I'm not visible in that photo), so I guess I can try to elaborate on certain points. Was planning to write my own review until I saw this great one already posted. There were a series of cards labelled with simply a letter that I found indescipherable but then there were general titles to the movements of the piece, one labelled "Fencing" to create a more back and forth, combative atmosphere, and one labelled something like "immitation" or "immitate" to get the band to try to mimic eachother. I think there was one moment where Honda really hit the nail on the head with her attempt to recreate on a synth the highly percussive blast that had just hit. It even got a smile out of Zorn who overall seemed to keep having to shush her, tell her to back off and not play so much, because he wasn't quite happy with what she added to the piece. Other unmentioned velcroed cards called for "rhythm" "a-rythm" and "changes." It was "rhythm" that actually resulted in Ribot laying down a great groove that they used to end one piece. The headband / hat thing confused me greatly but just a note, it was not multiple headbands but rather 1 headband that slowly made its way around the stage. Though I don't know what the relevance is there. Lastly, Ribot and Frith seemed to think themselves just as much the conductors of the piece as Zorn and no one minded. They kept flashing hand signals at Zorn to indicate what they thought were good places to cue the piece into next and he would almost always listen. Having never heard a game piece live before, I wasn't sure what to expect but I left quite impressed. -Richard __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
Richard Kamerman:
I should have guessed the dude who flashed a photo there was a list member...
well there were a lot of people taking photos but maybe not right then (and i had to scramble to get that one). BTW i swear i only use the flash when the musicians are not playing. i've been surprised by the lack of annoyance zorn has exhibited with the flash photography. he's failing to uphold his reputation, isnt he? :) the only time i saw zorn do anything to alter audience behavior was when he motioned some people who were leaning against the wall up front to move back so they werent so close to the stage.
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The headband / hat thing confused me greatly but just a note, it was not multiple headbands but rather 1 headband that slowly made its way around the stage.
i could have sworn that coleman and frith both wore headband at the same time, but i guess not??
Lastly, Ribot and Frith seemed to think themselves just as much the conductors of the piece as Zorn and no one minded. They kept flashing hand signals at Zorn to indicate what they thought were good places to cue the piece into next and he would almost always listen.
i assumed that the players making those requests was part of the game. i thought that baron and coleman did it fairly often too. not honda or susie though... -ed
--- Ed Price <edp@panix.com> wrote:
the only time i saw zorn do anything to alter audience behavior was when he motioned some people who were leaning against the wall up front to move back so they werent so close to the stage.
Zorn's big problem with them was not just that they were close to the stage but rather that they could see the text on all the cards he held up. It wasn't until they started very actively watching HIM instead of the musicians on stage that he made them move back. But there was no negativity in it, you could see in Zorn's face that he found it hysterical to be able to move his audience around like that. It was more about enjoying the power trip and keeping up an image than really trying to protect his secrets. Perhaps he's mellowing out at age 50? -Richard ===== "Our music generally appeals to children and retarded people, and I'm into that. In a way, We've been making children's records for years." - Gene Ween - __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
On 9/20/03 2:42 AM, "Ed Price" <edp@panix.com> wrote:
Richard Kamerman:
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The headband / hat thing confused me greatly but just a note, it was not multiple headbands but rather 1 headband that slowly made its way around the stage.
i could have sworn that coleman and frith both wore headband at the same time, but i guess not??
I'm pretty sure I saw them both with headbands as well. I thought the idea was that two players could take on guerrilla tactics using the headbands. philz
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