um, yeah. That's sort of what Ise were saying. Speaking for myselves, that is.

From: "Zachary Steiner" <zsteiner@butler.edu> To: "'Crowmeat Bob'" <crowmeat@hotmail.com>, <zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: RE: Zorn CD covers (was Re: Radical Jewish Culture) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:55:38 -0500

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it could be just too easy to read christian iconography into any old image, particularly involving martyrdom, because it seems to have formed a monopoly on the idea. Or mother and child, or armageddon, what-have-you. It's a system of religious capture that includes many aspects of previous religions, and in some modern forms, even adopts new ones to retain its control or continue its spread.

There could be some Jungian archetypes at play. These symbols are common to all people and, subsequently, all religions. Either we have proof positive of the collective unconscious or another incidence of what is tantamount to Christian marketing--creating an image to which people will respond such as lifting superficial (referring to the surface and ignoring deeper meanings, not implying shallowness) pagan iconography. This imagery youse guys (English needs a plural you pronoun like vosotros or Uds., so I will use philly slang) speak of as Christian is too ambiguous for an accurate assessment.

Zach

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