excellent points, skip. in addition, people posting here should keep in mind something more immediate. there are musicians lurking on the list, some who have rarely or never posted. i know of some. you might think you're sitting in the dark with your ibook, but you're in public, friends. keep in mind that you might be overheard. (and check out skip's new site <http://www.skipheller.com> kg _________________________________________________________________ Gift-shop online from the comfort of home at MSN Shopping! No crowds, free parking. http://shopping.msn.com